Consultative CommitteePosted by Hugh Craddock 20 Mar, 2017 08:47:18
Additional parking outside Rubbing House:
we said that any proposals for further parking should be brought
first to the consultative committee, and the racecourse agreed.
Staff: interviews shortly for a replacement
member of staff.
these were said to be dedicated to addressing incidents of
out-of-bounds hack riders. We said they should also address other
abuses on the downs, such as kite flying on the hack areas and
out-of-control dogs. This seemed to be accepted.
Hack riding maps:
a better map is being produced and will be sent to local stables. We
suggested that the mailing should be accompanied by an offer of local
meetings to help explain the rules for those who found the written
explanation too daunting (we offered to help).
Epsom training vision:
the racecourse said that training numbers had declined by about half
in the last ten years. Epsom needs building up as one of England's
key training areas, and this is what the vision seeks to achieve.
Epsom needs to promote greater awareness of its importance in racing,
including in the local community, where awareness among recently
arrived residents is often low.
Horse margin along Langley Vale Road:
resurfacing of the horse margin had been funded by local members'
local budgets and the Training Grounds Management Board (TGMB). We
suggested that the hedge screening should also be considered for
Hack sand track:
the board was due to write again to the Horse Race Levy Board (HRLB)
setting out the conservators' position, which was outstanding from
the previous meeting (six months ago), having had no response to the
previous letter. We were assured that a letter was imminent. The
chairman said there was no quick fix, and the board awaited a
response to its letter to the HRLB. We pointed out that the track
continued to deteriorate in the absence of maintenance, and asked
whether anything could be done to keep it in better order in the
meantime, particularly in those sections which required only minor
attention to keep them useable. However, the conservators were
adamant that it would not be appropriate to maintain any part pending
resolution of the question of liability.
Parking on Derby Arms triangle:
we pointed out that the deposited map requires the retention of
pedestrian margins around the triangle when the triangle is allocated
for car parking during events.
we said that we were glad to see proposals brought forward by the
TGMB, and would work with it to manage issues arising. An opening
might be expected after the next TGMB meeting in April, but further
work had yet to be done.
an audit of marker posts had been completed and shared with us, with
a commitment to undertake various repairs and improvement subject to
resources. We said we are happy to discuss how any ambiguities can
best be resolved.
we asked again for a focus on work to remove scrub where the paths
have become braided owing to scrub encroachment and flooding. There
was some concern that clearance might make the problem worse, but we
thought it could only improve matters. The Lower Mole Countryside
Management Service will inspect and advise.
Audit of signs on the downs:
this will be brought to a future board meeting (impliedly meaning not
coming first to the consultative committee).
Afternoon hack ride on Six Mile Hill:
much work has been done, and further flailing will occur. We said
more attention needs to be given to preventing hack riders continuing
east along Six Mile Hill, as the extension west of the polytrack
means the barriers previously present here have been removed.
Downs House triangular area:
the board could not afford to hire in cut-and-collect flailing
concern was express about the condition of the listed wall, and
possible damage to the wall by tree growth. It was agreed that one
area was of concern, and would be given further attention.
Next meeting: on 18 September 2017.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 18 Jan, 2017 19:28:32
Apologies: Simon Dow, the trainers'
representative, had tendered apologies for his absence.
Training Grounds Management Board:
had met the previous day, but the report related to a meeting in
November. The racecourse said the board had voiced concern about the
reduced staffing situation on the downs. None of the items in the
report was discussed (and therefore, nothing about the proposed
access to the hatched area, but see the end of this report).
Hack sand track:
officers said that the recorded delivery letter had not yet been sent
to the Horse Race Levy Board — the chairman asked for this to be
sent as a priority.
Head downskeeper's report:
the head downskeeper was back on duty, but a dowskeeper was on long
term sick leave, another leaving, and another on paternity leave.
Support was being provided from the council's ranger service. The
chairman asked about the recruitment process, and was told that it
would probably take a couple of months. It was observed that
substitutes for downskeepers needed to be confident and competent
with horses. The racecourse said that the substitute was familiar
with working on the downs. The trainers had reported concern about
abuse of the training grounds in the afternoon, which was not being
addressed owing to the absence of patrols. The head downskeeper said
that he had asked staff to do more patrols, including repeat visits
to key sites, but there remained many routine functions which could
not be omitted. The racecourse explained that the trainers' concern
was stimulated by a report on social media which invited use of the
training facilities during the afternoon: officers thought it might
be possible to target such postings. The head downskeeper said that
barriers used to be placed across the all-weather tracks to prevent
use by hack riders, but this was no longer done.
Fees for events:
the conservators were asked to approve the revised fees and charges.
They did, with negligible comment.
a 2.3% increase in precept from the contributing bodies (the council,
the racecourse and the trainers) was proposed. Approved.
Parking in front of Derby Arms:
the report proposed to endorse, in principle, the use of the green between Derby Arms Road
and Ashley Road for parking for events. The racecourse pointed out
that the green had been used for contractor parking during the
roofing works, but this had ceased since the works were complete.
The chairman asked about the need to use the green: didn't the
racecourse have a car park adjacent to the race track? The
racecourse said it was a 'nicer experience' to park adjacent to the
entrance. A member said that there was adequate parking elsewhere,
such as on the grand stand apron. The open space was an important
part of the Epsom character. Parking was accepted as a part of the
racing calendar, but should not be everyday. The racecourse said it
would be used as a genuine overflow for antique fairs and the like,
because the hard standing was already full. The Tattenham enclosure
was less well drained, and therefore less suitable. Another member
agreed, saying parking was untidy. Was the public house concerned
about the proposal? The chairman wondered whether pub visitors would
also use the parking: the racecourse said the parking would be
stewarded. Asked about frequency, the racecourse said 12 antiques
fairs each year, and perhaps 6 to 10 other events, but no count had
been taken, and the racecourse could not say with precision what
frequency was sought in the approval. A member said that if the
proposal regularised past use, it should be agreed if there was no
material change in use. Officers confirmed that approval was sought
only in principle, and there should be further consultation with hack
riders and others; the conservators could impose conditions on use if
they wished. The racecourse referred to use for Woodland Trust
planting, and the chairman pointed out that such visitors were well
equipped to use the Tattenham enclosure instead. A member said that
consultation should envisage a limit on the number of events. It was
agreed that there should be consultation with all members of the
consultative committee, and with other members of the public who
wanted to be involved. A vote on the recommendation was taken, with
five in favour and one abstention. The abstention sought
confirmation that the matter would return to the committee after
consultation. The chairman would look closely at the wording of the
consultation, and a draft would be cleared with the conservators.
Racing would take place on:
- Wednesday 26 April
- Friday 2 June (Ladies’ Day)
- Saturday 3 June (Derby Day)
- Thursday 6 July (Evening)
- Thursday 13 July (Evening)
- Thursday 20 July (Evening)
- Thursday 3 August (Evening)
- Monday 28 August (Bank Holiday)
- Tuesday 29 August
- Thursday 14 September
- Sunday 1 October
with evenings and Sunday meetings approved by the conservators.
In response to a question, the racecourse said there were fewer meetings than
permitted for commercial reasons, as mid-week days had performed
poorly. There was no wish to hold meetings on an autumn Monday
afternoon, which was the sort of opportunity which remained open.
Epsom racecourse was more demanding than at other racecourse, and it
was more difficult to get horses to run. The racecourse did not want
to run low quality races. The average number of runners in 2016 had
risen to 8.9 from 8.2, following elimination of poor performing races.
The racecourse said it had fabricated gates to permit continued equestrian access (outside race days) to the Lonsdale enclosure west of the subway, to avoid the problem with removing fencing panels.
The recommendations were approved.
Signs on the downs:
a sign audit had been done, and would be brought to the next meeting.
the racecourse said that the training grounds management board should
be commended for drawing up proposals to open the hatched area at certain times.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 05 Oct, 2016 18:01:36Polytrack
: a new walk in has been created for young horses to access the track at 5 furlongs.Clear Height Stables
: planning permission refused for demolition of stables, as they are thought to have a viable future in racing, but have not been properly marketed as such.Hack sand track
: there has been no response from the Horse Race Levy Board to a letter from the board disclaiming responsibility: this will be chased.Head downskeeper's report
: increase in recent anti-social behaviour incidents, with an attempt to break into the downskeepers' hut, and cars being driven over the downs. Two downskeepers are long-term sick, with support being provided from the ranger service. Concern about drawing down support from over-stretched ranger service, and whether this can continue to be provided: there are eight rangers to cover 23 parks. Providing ranger support will impose additional costs on the council.Mid-year budget monitoring
: the working balance continues to diminish, but there was no substantive comment on the in-year budget. The Treasurer had asked for guidance on setting the buget for 2017–18, proposing a 2.35% increase in precepts, which was agreed. [Ed: There was virtually no discussion about the merits of increasing the precept, and no indication of how or whether it could be accommodated in the council's own budget.
: eight events had been proposed for approval, of which only next year's Race for Life
was significant. One member welcomed the use of the downs, another repeated previously expressed concerns about 'grass being trodden down' and litter clearance, noting that the head downskeeper was ill and unable to comment. [Ed: has the member concerned seen the grass trodden down after Derby day?
] The events were approved en bloc
: this was not allowed on the downs under byelaws, unless with the consent of the conservators. A regular vendor had asked for permission to trade on the downs, and it was proposed to grant it, subject to not trading before midday, no chimes, and not on racedays. The van would be located in the Hyperion car park off the Old London Road roundabout, or at the milepost car park. The board wanted to impose conditions requiring the provision of litter facilities, and officers agreed to look at whether this could be done through borough licensing conditions.Metal detecting
: this year, the number of licences had been increased from 20 to 25, although only 23 had been purchased. It was agreed to continue to offer 25 licences each year.
: previously, no memorials had been permitted on the downs, but it was noted that the downs offered nowhere to sit down, and the policy should be reviewed. A paper was circulated to allow for this. It proposed to allow up to 12 rustic benches, bird boxes and planted trees. The demand was not thought to be great, and the price could be increased if demand proliferated. One member asked for benches to have a back, to cater for elderly people: this could be added in a natural form; it was also proposed to allow engraving into the wood (i.e
. not a plaque): although there was some sympathy for these suggestions, they were rejected. It should be reviewed in one year. [Ed: there was no indication of where these memorials would be placed, and no doubt room can be found for benches, but one wonders what would be an appropriate site for tree planting, given that much effort is put into keeping the downs free of scrub, and trees grow naturally?
: the minutes of the meeting last week (see my report here
) had just arrived from the committee secretary, and the chairman offered to take board members through the highlights, although much had been covered already. Mention was made of the location of the gypsy site, and condition of the afternoon hack ride had been resolved on the tour. Comments were solicited, and a question was asked about dog control signage, and then about:Parking in Derby Stables Road
: a member asked whether parking controls would be put forward in the local committee, and the chairman said it would be quicker for a request to be put forward by the hack riders' representative rather than through the board. The member suggested she would favour such controls, and welcome a request to the local committee.Outstanding references
: no significant comments.Dates of next meetings
: Wednesday 18 January 2017 at 18.00 hours
Wednesday 19 April 2017 at 18.00 hours
Wednesday 14 June 2017 at 18.00 hours
Wednesday 4 October 2017 at 18.00 hours
Consultative CommitteePosted by Hugh Craddock 28 Sep, 2016 20:56:12
Cllr Liz Frost was in the chair of this biannual meeting of the consultative committee.
Hack sand track: officers gave an oral update, to the effect that there was nothing further to report. Officers acting on behalf of the board of conservators had written to the Horse Race Levy Board (HRLB) to confirm that board did not take responsibility for maintenance, but there had been no reply. We asked what was the plan of action? Officers said it was not the board’s responsibility to maintain, and that it was for the HRLB to maintain, as it was on its land, and it had given an undertaking to Parliament to maintain it. It was hoped that there could be a discussion leading to an amicable discussion. The chairman asked that the letter be sent again with delivery confirmed. There was no evidence that responsibility had ever been assigned from the HRLB to the board. We
pointed out that there was no incentive on the HRLB to act, and the HRLB needed
to feel that it was bound to respond: the board should seek to progress the
obligation. We asked what action the board would take to bring the risks of use of the sand track to the attention of hack riders: officers responded that they intended to take no action to warn or protect riders, and officers thought that they could best avoid
liability by doing nothing. [Ed: This seems an odd position to take in these supposedly litigious times, which might best be described as 'burying your head in the sand'.]
Hatched area: the Training Grounds Management Board
was said to be re-assessing what could be done with respect to access to the
hatched area (a committee had been formed for that purpose). [Ed: The conclusions are awaited with, er, interest.]
Anti-social behaviour: this had been reported at the Mile Post car park, including recklessly dangerous driving, which was a challenge to the downskeepers to address.
Police are said to be supportive to tackle the behaviour. Consideration is being given to installing dashboard cameras in downskeepers’ vehicles. It was also suggested that the car park be closed earlier in the shoulders of the summer, when the current closing time is after dusk.
Understaffing of downskeepers’ team: the head downskeeper is off work, and another member of the team will be off work shortly. Some support is being received from the council's ranger service to cover evening shifts so that there are trained downskeepers in the mornings.
Ashley Road equestrian crossing: new notices have yet to be installed, and installation has been delayed pending a further review of the crossing.
Rubbing House parking: we questioned whether the board supports proposals to increase hard surfacing outside the Rubbing House, and were told it had not been asked to express a view (which seemed surprising). We asked that the consultative committee be
consulted on any such proposals in the future. It was expected that the TGMB would review the situation in November.
Derby race meeting: there was general agreement that the clean-up was better this year.
Downs house stables: an application for planning permission for the house is expected first, followed by one for the rest of the site.
Use of hack areas for parking: we pointed out that, traditionally, parking was excluded from the downs by the simple use of barriers across entrances, and these had been left open in recent years. The racecourse said there was a report to the board on parking for the next meeting, although it was unclear whether this would be taken. We criticised the drafting of a report for the board without prior discussion in the committee, despite that subject being on the agenda. Officers said there would be an opportunity to see a proposal before it was taken by the board. [Ed: So some back-peddling there, and a wrong move by the racecourse.]
Afternoon hack ride on Six Mile Hill: we pointed out that the ride had been left in poor condition after works to upgrade the Polytrack, and this would be visited during the downs tour later in the week. [Ed: it was indeed visited, and in a sorry state. Works are promised over the winter to widen the ride, and allow the worst affected part to recover.]
Access to Lonsdale enclosure: we reminded the racecourse that the tacit agreement was to allow access through the Lonsdale enclosure while fencing was in place, on non-race days. The racecourse agreed that the fence should be dismantled outside race days, and this had not happened. The racecourse would welcome advice of any shortcoming. We asked the racecourse to consider installing a lockable gate, to make it easier to regulate access.
Signposting of hatched area: the sign advising of closure of the hatched area has been replaced.
Missing marker posts along valley hack ride below Rubbing House: these will be replaced this winter.
Parking in Derby Stables Road: we asked whether the board could support measures to regulate parking in Derby Stables Road, as it was not otherwise possible to control the display of vehicles for sale. It was agreed that the board would consider this.
Rifle Butts Alley: we asked whether there were plans for further scrub clearance at the top of Rifle Butts Alley, to build on work done the previous winter, but acknowledged that staff shortages might make that impossible this winter. It was hoped to take action during the winter.
Access for horse riders: we addressed a general concern that the extent of areas available to horse riders were gradually being whittled away (such as the sand track, the hatched area, the scrubbed up areas), and what was being done to replace these when they were out of action? Point made.
Signs for dog walkers: it was explained that signs were being torn down. It was proposed to replace them with laminated signs which were cheap to replace. Signs were being amended to require dogs on leads on Sundays only until 0930.
NewsPosted by Hugh Craddock 07 Mar, 2016 21:52:54
This notice has recently appeared east of Walton Road at the foot of Six Mile Hill. It reads: 'HATCHED AREA CLOSED'. We asked for the sign to be erected. Why?
The hatched area appears, duly hatched, on the statutory map deposited in Parliament with the Epsom and Walton Downs Regulation Bill (now the 1984 Act). The map legend explains: "Part of Walton Downs on which riding is permitted after noon if in the opinion of the Training Grounds Management Board conditions allow". The hatched area extends along much of the bottom of Six Mile Hill, both east and west of Walton Road, below the training grounds, and above the Mac track. Apart from the claimed use of a sliver for occasional training west of Walton Road, it is not maintained for training, and useless for that purpose. But the Board is afraid that, if hack riders are 'permitted' to use it, they may stray north onto the training grounds. In 32 years, the Board has never expressed an opinion that conditions do allow, but at almost every Board meeting, it confirms that conditions do not allow. Of course, the Board's disposition has nothing to do with 'conditions', and everything to do with its jealous conservation of the training grounds.
To remind hack riders that the hatched area should be open to riders' use, at least at certain times, we asked the Board to erect a sign which shows whether 'conditions allow'. One looks in vain for any simple mechanism on the sign (a sliding board perhaps?) to convert 'closed' into 'open', but perhaps that isn't so surprising.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 21 Jan, 2016 07:39:31
Dog walking: the press release had been published today about the new ‘restrictions’ on dogs, attracting some press attention (see BBC News, illustrated with your blogger's own photograph!; the Surrey Comet/Epsom Guardian). Some coverage (neither of the two hyperlinked articles) had suggested the restrictions applied all day [Ed: which of course they do, in the presence of any horses, but as expected, this requirement was not mentioned once in discussion]. The council had made much of the private nature of the land [which is technically correct but so is a great deal of land subject to public access: the private character of the owner is immaterial, and the downs have been accessible to the citizens of Epsom since time immemorial.]. One member said there was a misconception that the downs were ‘open access’ [which it is]. The council said that additional ranger resource would be available next week. A comment had been made online about wearing fluorescent clothing, but the training grounds manager said this was worn by 99% of trainers’ staff. Staff would ask those with dogs not on leads to comply. The head downskeeper said there would be problems with some owners; owners for example thought that the rules did not apply in the woods. [Ed: and this is the problem with the conservators' approach — it imposes a blanket ban (during the morning) throughout the downs, even where no horses ever go. It's hard to enforce a rule when at times it just doesn't make sense.
Queen’s Stand crossing: the Training Grounds Management Board had approved a budget of £100 to improve signage in the vicinity of the crossing.
Tattenham Corner Road crossing for pedestrians: the highway authority had no money to fund improvements, but was willing to provide design and construction work.
Habitat management plan: work had been commissioned on the combined habitat management plan (i.e. incorporating the golf course).
Walton Road resurfacing: the highway authority had visited Walton Road and expressed ‘reasonable satisfaction’ with the resurfacing works and road humps.
Winter work programme: The winter work programme had enabled work to be done to cut back scrub at Riflebutts Alley, Langley Vale and Middle Hill. Work had also been done to ‘refurbish’ the hack ride and area marker posts.
Review of fees for events on downs: reviewed fees and potentially refundable charges were agreed for events on the downs, including a shift to a daily rate. Officers pointed out that the downs were not a formal events venue, and the conservators decided not to pursue specific annual increases in fees.
Metal detecting licences: the issue of licences has moved online, and availability will close once the ceiling of 20 licences has been reached. The fee will increase from £35 to £40 in 2017. Licences had been sought from all over the south-east. One member asked why the ceiling was apparently low: it was explained that the ceiling had originally been imposed because of the attractiveness of the downs for metal detecting. The licence allowed licencees to excavate (subject to rules about reinstatement). The head downskeeper said that enforcement was sometimes problematic, with licencees straying outside the designated area [the designated area being, in effect, the hack areas]. A vague desire to raise the ceiling to raise additional funds and enable greater activity emerged as a joint proposal to increase the number of licences by five but to amend the licence to permit revocation in the event of a breach of the rules.
Budget 2016−17: a 4% increase in the precept was agreed, in the following shares — Borough Council: £222,770; Epsom Downs Racecourse: £111,380; Epsom & Walton Downs Training Board: £37,130 — a total budget of £371,280.
Racing season and fencing works: the usual extensions to the term of fencing permitted under the 1984 Act were approved. There will be a music night only on 30 June this year. The racecourse observed that the Lonsdale enclosure should ensure a means of access is retained for walkers and horse riders in and out while it was in place.
Hack sand track: the acting clerk said that although an assurance had been given at the previous meeting that a report would be available for this meeting, none was available, and one was promised for the following meeting.
NewsPosted by Hugh Craddock 26 Nov, 2015 15:46:26
Officers and downskeepers have scheduled work over the winter of 2015-16 to clear some of the scrub from the top of Rifle Butts Alley (bridleway 66 from Burgh Heath Road). This will improve access for all users between the bridleway and the hack ride along the north perimeter of the golf course and the downs. Work is planned to include improving access along the hack ride itself, where scrub encroachment, by excluding the sun and wind, has caused the track to become waterlogged in wet weather.
Under the Epsom and Walton Downs Regulation Act 1984, all of the land north of the hack ride (between the hack ride and the boundary fence) is designated a hack area — even the area used as a green waste tip — so some clearance here is welcome thanks.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 07 Oct, 2015 18:10:55Training Grounds Management Board
: is considering placing warning signs either side of the Queen's Stand equestrian crossing, as 'near-misses' continue: the board will discuss with Surrey Highways. Officers pointed out that the warning lights on Burgh Heath Road were now redundant, and could be better placed elsewhere.Hatched area
: signs had now been installed to visibly indicate that the hatched area was closed to hack riders.Hack sand track
: officers promised a definitive report at the next meeting, admitting that there was no update, and a report was overdue.Downs House
: the sale had been completed and it was in private ownership. There had been preliminary discussions about a planning application, with a view to restoring its use as a training establishment. He had been in contact with the TGMB.Epsom Downs golf club unauthorised development
: there was a question of retrospective consent, and enforcement action. A report would be made to the next meeting.Tattenham Corner Road crossing
: the crossing had been viewed by the consultative committee, with useful suggestions for improvement. Consequently, action had already been taken to reverse the 'running' rail, which opens up the space on the east side, and to tidy up the grass without compromising the width of the racecourse. Officers had asked Surrey Highways to visit to comment on safety.Dogs
: a report had been secured from an access consultant, who said that signage was an important part of dog management. A member regretted that the matter was being dealt with in an oral update. Discussion then moved to proposed new 'dogs on leads signs': further discussions had taken place on the new signs, and the consultative committee had commented on them. An amended notice was circulated: the new sign requires dogs to be kept on leads before noon, and states that dogs may be walked off leads after midday provided they are under proper control. It was said that much thought had gone into the wording [Ed: no-one was informed at this point that the requirement to keep dogs on leads in the morning was unenforceable
.] Some minor comments were made on the wording. One member wanted a picture of a dog on a lead (or similar), and lamented the omission of the former wording of 'horses travelling at speed'. The consultant had recommended consistent, clear, bold signage as key to securing compliance, but had advised that an approach of requiring all dogs on leads at all times would not work. It was agreed to procure a further draft for approval by the clerk in rapid consultation with members. The racecourse said it was important that the board was clear about what they wanted to achieve, and what were the instructions to the downskeepers. It was confirmed that the downskeepers would receive conflict management training. Natural England's dog walking code (which commended keeping dogs on leads in the vicinity of livestock) was being promoted nationally. Research on dog control orders in another borough revealed that no enforcement had taken place in the past year. A member questioned how successful that borough had been in securing better behaviour [Ed: the reply rather obfuscated on that point
]. Contact with another borough suggested that education was the better approach. A number of partners had said that enforcement is not the answer, but research showed that engagement was better. [Ed: indeed, but what will the board do about those who will not comply?
] The racecourse illustrated two recent incidents, where the keepers simply didn't understand how their dogs were going to react. The existing byelaw only required 'proper control', and questioned whether this required a lead? Officers advised that Natural England's guidance would support such an interpretation.Gypsy site management
: a small group had considered comments from the board, consultative committee and local residents, but experience tended to suggest that ideas were not effective as hoped. Stronger fencing was seen as a challenge; cutting back scrub risked encouraging driving over the downs; employment of a security company would be costly and perhaps provoke confrontation. Once there were a large number of gypsies in the area, it was better for them to assemble in one area, as it was difficult to monitor the whole borough. There was respect for the Derby traditions, and gypsies did move on after the event. Further discussion would be had with the temporary site manager about discouraging driving on the downs. A member said it was the site manager's role to enforce against inappropriate use; the chair responded that it was not possible to change established views among those who were present for just a fortnight. Questions were asked about the role of the temporary site manager, and the remuneration: this would be revisited at the next meeting.Live music
: the Madness
concert had attracted some management problems on the Hill during the evening: a member questioned whether this should be the responsibility of the racecourse? There were no facilities on the Hill for the concerts. The head downskeeper suggested future events might demand security support from the racecourse. The racecourse said there would be no live music evening next year owing to repairs to the Duchy Stand roof. There had been police presence on the Hill for the Madness
concert, and the problems need not be overstated.Winter work programme
: the racecourse commended work done at the Derby start to improve visibility by controlling the treeline. The racecourse asked for a higher priority to clear gorse at the top of Middle Hill, and this was agreed. The board declined to do further work to clear undergrowth below the gypsy site.Mid-year budget monitoring
: there were no significant variance in the budget from plans. For 2016-17, it was planned to use £20k from working balances, and this was not sustainable, so an increase in the precept of 4% was proposed. A risk register had been circulated as an annexe [Ed: this says that "Clarity on responsibility for the Hack Sand Track has been clarified and [(edited at the meeting to read:) the Horse Race Levy Board] are responsible for the cost of repairs although repairs have not yet commenced and further action may be required
Officers questioned the omission of event charges. The racecourse questioned a 4% increase: the treasurer responded that the present reliance on working balances could not be continued, and the increase addressed the current deficit in the budget but did not set a pattern for future years. There were also higher liabilities towards pension contributions. A member said that the increase was necessary if unpalatable. The chair said the increase was needed to address the increase in pension costs.Golf course: extension of first tee and new paths
: further details of the proposals had been provided, and they were approved.
Golf course: replacement winter tee proposal
: there was lengthy discussion around the adoption of matting which was identical to a larger extent of the same matting put down in the practice area which is the possible subject of enforcement action. Some members expressed concern that approval of the winter tees would imply approval of the practice area development. They were assured that this proposal was separate, and all the works were subject to planning permission. The works were approved.Events on the downs
: eight applications were proposed for approval, all of which were repeating from previous years. There were no objections from the trainers, subject to the usual conditions. The events were agreed with no discussion [Ed: odd, compared with previous years' debates about the downs being allegedly oversubscribed
]. Questions were however asked about the retention bonds, which were perhaps too low, but no conclusion to modify. A late application had been received from a cross-country group which had used the downs in the past: there was some discussion over whether to allow it, and a majority decided that it should not be admitted for this period, and then reversed itself and agreed to consider.
Consultative CommitteePosted by Hugh Craddock 29 Sep, 2015 21:50:12
Introduction: Councillor Liz Frost replaces Jean Smith as chairman of the conservators and ex officio chair of the consultative committee [Ed: Cllr Frost takes over after many years of Mrs Smith's chairmanship, which was initially rotating, but then continuous. Today's consultative committee meeting felt much more like a committee meeting should feel: members were welcome to speak, comments were received respectfully, and there was no sense of inexorably being driven towards closure as early as possible. Whether this represents more than a change in style remains to be seen.]
Car parking for events: no-one was present to give the planned oral update, and a written report was promised. [Ed: this set the tone for the meeting, with lots of actions not followed up. Doubtless the officers are over-stretched, but the meeting didn't feel particularly well prepared for.]
Dog control: officers announced that a report had been commissioned by the Jockey Club from Stephen Jenkinson, an independent consultant on dog control in public spaces, which had just been received. Conflict management training had been scheduled for the downskeepers. This confirmed a desired movement towards better management of dogs (and their owners). The chairman referred to the existing notices on the downs, some of which are old, and refer to 'keeping dogs under control'. A new design has been produced by the the Training Grounds Management Board, which was circulated. The notice would be discussed by the board the following week.
Comments made (by us and others) included:
- • the draft notice pre-empts full consideration of Stephen Jenkinson's report;
- • reference in the notice to measures being necessary for dog control on grounds of 'health and safety' were more likely to alienate dog walkers;
- • there is no legal power to require dogs on leads before noon (this was effectively confirmed by the clerk);
- • the notice required dogs on lead when horses are present, but it's often not clear whether horses are present;
- • it's not just horses which need protecting from rampant dogs, but other downs users, such as model aircraft flyers, or families having a picnic;
- • the notice refers to permission to use the downs under the 1984 Act, but the Act confers a right of access, not just permission.
Stephen's report apparently confirmed that a universal 'dogs on leads' approach would not work. The clerk said that the committee's comments were useful and would be used to inform officers' report to the board next week. I also suggested that the board should consider recruiting staff whose specific background were enforcement, but again, officers said that few authorities were now taking enforcement action because it was costly and was not a successful means of control in isolation. [Ed: correct, but enforcement and prosecution can and should be part of the package where there are egregious breaches: and there are quite a few of those, sometimes putting lives at risk. The conservators should consider whether it is possible to make a public spaces protection order to regulate dog walking, so that breaches could, where appropriate, be dealt with by fixed penalty notices.]
Road humps on Walton Road: no action had been taken to ensure that road humps had been installed to the satisfaction of the highway authority, this would be followed up.
Signposting for hatched area: notices were reported as ready for erection at the board meeting in April, and a check would take place on what had happened.
Hack ride markers on golf course: none had yet been done.
Sand track through woodland west of Nohome Farm: I said that recent use in wet weather suggested the track has been repaired to alleviate boggy conditions, and we were grateful.
Maintenance of triangular hack area east of Downs House: officers still looking into the possibility of procuring machinery to enable the grass to be cut and collected.
Tattenham Corner Road crossing: a meeting will take place between officers and Andrew Cooper about moving the footway from the inside of the corner to the outside, which is where the desire line lies. It was explained that the public often walked on the outside of the road, and the railings were very unforgiving, as they forced walkers into the road. The racecourse said it had never agreed to a swap of sides. The railings could not be set back as this would encourage pedestrian traffic on the racing surface. The chairman asked for the matter to be considered at the next board meeting [Ed: officers were visibly unenthusiastic, doubtless pondering a sense of déja vu]. It was suggested that the local county member might be willing to adopt any necessary works.
Broken gate at top of Chalk Lane: this was discussed with the county councillor, and the council may repair it one more time (and this is thought to have been done).
Issues arising from Derby meeting: the racecourse and officers were meeting to discuss these issues the following day, reporting to next week's board meeting. The contractor had been in operation for three years. It was a challenge to get the downs restored to condition. The first priority was to restore the areas in training use on Sunday morning, and performance was getting better. The weather affected the clean up, and could cause work to be undone. One member suggested that volunteers should be encouraged to engage in the clean-up. I reiterated that there was a particular concern about glass being omitted from the clearance.
Fencing on the downs: it was asked why extensions were permitted to the fencing period. The clerk said the 1984 Act permitted complex set up and take down times for the racing, and it was sometimes inconvenient to dismantle and re-erect in short order, and could harm the downs because of additional traffic. The conservators looked favourably on applications for extensions. The head of legal of the council had agreed that there was a general power to allow this. We reiterated the hack riders' view that the board has no power to extend fencing in the manner permitted.
Later running of Derby and Oaks: it was asked whether the later scheduling of the main races had caused greater disruption in the evening. The racecourse said the gates had opened half-an-hour later than usual, which had allowed a less intense traffic build-up. Both races had been run at 1630, but the entertainment finished at the same time as in the previous year. The last race was at 1750, which was slightly later than in previous years.
Hack ride along 14th tee alongside Grand Stand Road: the golf club had inspected the site with officers and had agreed to allow the grass to regrow along the hack ride to better distinguish the course of the hack ride.
Hack ride and area along bottom of golf course above Rifle Butts Alley: clearance work has already begun and will appear in the winter work programme.
Hack sand track: there would be an oral update to the board meeting next week. It was harrowed and stone picked last week.
Dates of next meeting: to be advised.
Traffic lights at top of Langley Vale Road and Shepherds Walk: a question was asked about installation of lights to enable a safe crossing for horses, cyclists and walkers from one to the other, but no-one knew of progress. It was suggested that the crossing was heavily used by cyclists. It was thought that any proposals could come forward from an analysis of the movement requirements arising from Langley Vale Wood.
[I had to leave slightly ahead of the close of the meeting at this point, but understand that no substantive business followed my departure.
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Jean Smith: was
retiring as chairman and local authority member, this being her final
meeting, and the vice-chairman presented a card and print of the
downs in celebration of her departure.
The Training Grounds
Management Board met on 24 February and decided that the hatched
area was unfit for hack use, and also considered dog management
issues (later on the agenda). The board had produced promotional
Hack sand track:
the head of legal and democratic services had arranged a meeting for
the end of May.
Downs House: the
sale had not yet been completed, although various issues had been
sorted out, but there was a new question which required resolution.
Old London Road
crossing of the Racecourse, drainage works: discussions had taken
place with the highway authority, and it was hoped to undertake the
works later this year, noting that a traffic regulation order would
be needed. The highway authority had undertaken to clean out the
existing drains in the vicinity before the Derby.
Bridleway 127: Old
London Road: concern was expressed about the condition of the
bridleway across the Hill, and it was noted that it was the
responsibility of the highway authority. However, the discharge of
flooding from the racecourse crossing was thought to make the problem worse.
Events on the downs:
the list of four events seeking approval was described as ‘no
surprises’; a further event, ‘pigeon liberation’ was described
as very low impact first thing in the morning. It was questioned
whether the organisers of the omni-terrier derby were aware that the
trainers day might be moved this year, and would then not coincide.
The list was approved. A decision was made to review the charges for
2016, and then annually, which would require a report to the summer
management plan: comments had been taken on board from the last
meeting and the consultative committee meeting. Bird sightings had
been noted too. The management recommendations would provide the
driver for future actions. The plan would in due course absorb the
golf course management plan.
the main planting was due to begin in winter 2015−16, but it was
accepted that better contact was needed with the Trust’s planning,
so that a co-ordinated approach was taken. The consultative
committee was thanked for its helpful input, and the recommendations
to adopt the plan were approved.
Epsom golf club
proposed works: it had not been possible yet to obtain comments
from the tree officer, and it was agreed that any decision would be
subject to review by the chairman in the light of such comments.
There was a discussion of the surfacing of the path proposed on the
first hole, which was said to need to be man-made owing to the
likelihood of natural materials being washed out. The golf club’s
attention had been drawn to works with natural materials on Epsom
Common (e.g. Fittleworth stone near the Stew Ponds). There
was some concern about the uncertainty of what was proposed in terms
of route and surfacing. There was an opportunity to revert in the
summer with further details, as the works were not planned until the
winter. The works were agreed in principle, but the board wished to
see further details of the route and materials. The conservation
officer was not concerned by the proposals.
the committee’s comments on the Derby clean-up were
noted by the racecourse as ‘point well made’. The chairman said
that broken glass on the downs was not good for horses nor people.
It was confirmed the Derby would be run at 16:30 as previously. The
vice-chairman noted that minute 17.c had raised a question about
signage of the hatched area, and the signs had been made, but not
installed. A comment was made about the crossing of the 5 furlong
extension: the vice-chairman thought there had been no deterioration
in the crossing, but it was tricky to reconcile race use with
pedestrian use. The vice-chairman said that the racecourse was
unlikely to take the initiative, and it required another party to
champion it; however, officers had been tasked to report, and would
do so alongside the vice-chairman.
Dog control: the
proposal was to ‘approve a twelve month trial of the request to
keep dogs on a lead on Epsom & Walton Downs’, following a
useful discussion in working group. Legislation was not thought to
be the right route to follow at present, and it was preferred to make a ‘polite request’. It would require publicity, and should be
sustained through the year. A before noon request was thought to be
inappropriate given hack riders’ and others’ use, and therefore
an all-day request was preferred [Ed: however, the report says
that: ‘staff would…politely request that their dog(s) were kept
on a lead, particularly before 12 noon when the race horses are using the open gallops”]. It was noted that the BHS had appropriate leaflets. A joint approach was needed with the racecourse, trainers and others. A similar approach had worked at Newmarket, although it
was noted that circumstances were different. The campaign would be
launched in the summer before the start of the school holidays. One
member noted that it would be difficult for the staff to monitor and
‘enforce’ with no additional resources, and also observed that
many dog walkers wanted space for big dogs to run. The study had
looked at whether there could be a dog off leads zone, but it was
thought to be too complicated, and wouldn’t meet visitors’
ambitions to be able to let dogs off the lead near where they parked
or entered the downs. The proposal was agreed.
Model aircraft club:
two proposals to allow use of multi-rotor craft and cameras on board
craft were discussed. One member objected to the use of cameras, but
did not explain her objection. Approved.