ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 18 Jun, 2018 17:35:01
Chairman: Liz Frost was elected chairman, and Simon Durrant vice-chairman, to no-one's surprise.
Hack sand track: the Horse Race Levy Board had finally responded to correspondence, and said it wished to resolve matters in anticipation of the transfer of regulatory functions to the Gambling Commission. The clerk confirmed that the board agreed with this perspective.
Training Grounds Management Board: the number of horses in training is unchanged, with the number of winners slightly higher. A new call-button for the equestrian crossing at the Queen's Stand has now been installed. The hatched area is again open for use by hack riders during the afternoon. There is an initiative to improve accommodation for trainers' staff.
Gypsy camp site: a question was asked about the timing of the opening of the site during Derby week. It was stated that the camp on Court Recreation Ground had no intention of moving to the downs.
Derby race meeting: this was the 239th race meeting. Planning worked well, with good commitment from all partners, and generally good weather. There was little negative feedback from trainers. Clean-up was said to be 'really, really good'. Friday was busier than last year, and Saturday was said to have achieved the numbers in 2015, after a dip in intervening years.
Parking in front of the Derby Arms: the chairman introduced a lengthy paper with seven annexes, following a local consultation earlier in the year, about parking in front of the Derby Arms (Ed: arrogantly described in the report as 'car park 6', as if that were the land's primary purpose). The racecourse also wished to use the land on the south side of Ashley Road also bounded by the racecourse and Langley Vale Road for parking ('car park 2a'). The chairman drew attention to the responses from the Civic Society and the British Horse Society. The trainers' representative said that use of car park 2a was giving rise to weekly conflict not consistent with the statistics reported of use of this area reported by the racecourse. He had concerns about safety unless there was very careful policing. The chairman said that conditions could be imposed about use of the area to protect horses in training. The racecourse said that the two car parks had been used throughout the preparatory period, and the statistics were recorded to the best of staff ability. Statistics would continue to be recorded.
A member said she was concerned that land should not be given up to commercial use as pressure increases on open space in the borough: it could be used a few times a year but not all year round. The chairman questioned what was meant by 'commercial' use, and the member said it was a commercial company using the open space: she did not wish to see a car park at the top of the downs every time one passed that way. The clerk said there were several options, including to grant with conditions, such as to limit the number of events. The statistics for the previous year suggested that conditions could best be achieved through a management plan.
The trainers' representative asked on what terms support was sought for car park 2a: the chairman said that there were options to refuse, approve without limitation, or approve with conditions such as no more than 40 days per year (which could be divided between the two car parks). Another member suggested that the areas should be used only when the existing car parks were full, and that car park 6 should be used in preference to car park 2. The racecourse said that was already the practice. The chairman said that a preference between car park 2 and 6 ought to be a matter for consideration in a management plan. There were issues with use of the two areas by horses in training and by hack riders: the management plan could take account of those interests. The clerk said the racecourse would be asked to put forward a management plan, which could be approved either by officers or the board. A member said that she would wish to see the management plan before it was approved. The clerk offered an alternative of a year's implementation with a review to follow.
A member said that the board had a duty to protect the downs, but also wished to foster the vitality of the racecourse: he did not wish to approve the management plan. Some 40 days would not represent an intensification of use. A member asked what control would be placed on people parking in the areas: the clerk said that they were not regulated and would be free car parks. The racecourse said that a barrier prevented access to car park 6, while car park 2 was freely open: anyone could drive on to it [Ed: we think there used to be a barrier across the paved access over a dropped kerb here]. It would be difficult to issue badges, as users were ad hoc. The chairman said this could be looked at later on if regulation were needed.
The trainers' representative did not wish to give a long-term commitment to use of car park 2, because of the potential for conflict, and asked about proposed marshalling. The clerk proposed an annual review of the arrangements, as currently done for events on the downs. A member asked what would be the impact on the racecourse if the application were refused? Who would enforce any conditions imposed? Insufficient consideration had been given to the proposals. The clerk said that refusal of consent would not necessarily prevent use of the car parks as there were no restrictions to achieve this [Ed: it is not clear whether the clerk was referring to physical restrictions or legal restrictions, but is wrong in either case.] A member asked if a review in one year would allow for withdrawal of any consent? The clerk said that the consent could be time limited to one year from the date of approval of the management plan.
A member supported the BHS legal analysis that the board had no power to approve the proposals. The clerk said this argument had been rebutted in the report. The member also questioned why there were no barriers in place at present? The clerk said that the racecourse's application was intended to rely on the board's duty to balance the interests in the downs, set out in para.2.10 drawn 'from the legislation'. A vote to refuse was supported by one member, there was no support for unconditional approval, and a significant majority to approve with conditions [Ed: presumably with the management plan to be approved by officers vice members: the member's proposal to scrutinise the draft management plan was not mentioned at this point].
Hack riders' map: it was asked whether the map would be posted on the downs, as well as produced in leaflet form. A member asked how users would understand the rubric about use of the hatched area, and whether reference should be made to signs on site. There was some discussion about publicising the new map and raising awareness, and the board might revert to this at a future meeting. A member said that conflict was sometimes caused by other users being unaware of the extent of the hack rides. Agreement to publish.
Forward plan: a member suggested the board should consider the potential for future live music events. The chairman said this was a matter for the racecourse.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 16 Apr, 2018 17:59:18
Woodland Trust application: there was some discussion of the Woodland Trust application for the Memorial Wood, particularly because of the impact on the bridleway across Headley Road. The chairman showed some concern that the application was outside the Conservators' area, and concerns should be expressed to Mole Valley district council as the lead planning authority.
Staffing: it was asked whether the downskeepers were restored to full strength, and it was confirmed that they were, comprising six downskeepers.
Replacement of telecommunications joint box: the conservators had been asked to approve works to replace a sunken box on the downs near the toilet block on Tattenham Corner Road. Approval granted.
Events: a slate of applications for events on the downs was before the conservators for approval. It was confirmed, in response to a question, that all of the events had taken place previously, with similar numbers. Approval was given for all with no further discussion.
The meeting closed at a remarkable 18:21.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 22 Jan, 2018 17:15:27
Parking on the Downs House triangle: a limited consultation on proposals is expected soon.
Repair works to water pipes to gypsy site: repairs were required to the water supply to the gypsy site on the downs, used during the Derby fortnight. The costs had not yet been ascertained, but might be between £3k and £5.5k. I arrived slightly late, and it was clear that there had already been some mixed views expressed about who should pay. There was concern that if the conservators covered the costs, it would establish a liability for the future. Conservators agreed that a contribution would be appropriate, on the basis that the gypsy site existed at the discretion of the conservators. Was the racecourse prepared to maintain the investment — the racecourse representative said (more or less) that it was. The chairman proposed a contribution of £1k; two (councillor) members suggested that the conservators should fund the whole cost, or at least half. The chairman upped the proposal to half of the maximum cost anticipated in the report: this was agreed, with one member proposing raising the site fees to recover the expenditure.
Radio controlled dethermaliser: the Epsom Downs Model Aircraft Club had sought approval for its members to use the device to help control the landing of free-flight model aircraft on land designated for craft of this kind (which is a much larger area of the downs than permitted for radio-controlled aircraft: see byelaw 7(2)). It was proposed that club members operating these devices should wear an arm-band to identify their membership. This was agreed. [Ed: The legal advice failed to resolve the tension that byelaw 7(1) simply doesn't allow the use of radio-controlled aircraft over the larger area: this is not something the conservators have power to resolve.]
Cabling works on downs: a proposal to carry out works in the owners' and trainers' car park on the downs. This would upgrade to meet modern technology requirements. The works would be near the path from the Ashley Road signalled crossing to the Rubbing House crossing of the racecourse. An alternative route onto the downs may be required while the works take place, which could last a fortnight. Agreed.
2018–19 budget: the condition of some of the car parks had deteriorated, and provision had been made for increased repair costs, which called for a 3.1% increase in the budget, compared with the previously agreed 2% rise. The budget was agreed with only one question.
Racing season: an extension to the fencing period, and racing on certain Sundays and evenings, was agreed. The racecourse would seek powers from the traffic regulation authority to close one of the footpaths across the racecourse on Ladies' Day and Derby Day. The racecourse will run four race evenings with decadal themes from the 1960s onwards, but no big name act is likely.
Sand track: a member asked about whether there had been a response from the Horse Race Levy Board. An office said contact had been made with the Levy Board, and discussions were taking place.
The meeting closed at 1845
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 04 Oct, 2017 17:50:38
Cedar Point: planning applications had been made which would bring racing use of the yard to an end. The Jockey Club has objected.
Staffing of downskeepers: the staff are now up to a full complement.
Mid-year budget: the external auditors have signed off the 2016–17 accounts, but questioned the delayed sign-off to the accounts because the June meeting was inquorate. A £4.3k overspend was forecast for 2017–18 owing to unexpected VAT costs. Balances remained healthy. It was agreed to aim for a 2% budget increase in 2018–19.
Events approvals: a large number of events were up for approval, including some imminent ones. The Mole Valley Orienteering Club had applied for approval for an event (on the 22 October!) which was novel for the downs, but expected to have less impact than events using planned routes. A list of events was read out to the conservators by the chairman, but with the member most critical of events absent, there was less comment. There was a discussion about the timing of approvals for a particular season, as not all events for a particular season were presented for approval at the same meeting. Officers explained that organisers of large events preferred to seek approval well in advance, whereas those of smaller events saw no need to do so until closer to the event. However, there was no guarantee that all high impact events planned for a particular season would be presented to conservators for determination at the same meeting. The Race for Life was approved for 24 June 2018 and the Memory Walk (Alzheimer's Society) for 23 September 2018 — both major impact events — but the latter was capped at 2,000 participants (compared with the 4,000 sought). Officers commented that the Race for Life had in the past been capped at 4,000 including spectators, and was now committed to a maximum number of 1,650 participants. Officers were asked to prepare a paper for a future meeting to review maximum event numbers.
Hack sand track: it was asked if the track had deteriorated further. The head downskeeper said it had got worse as there was no maintenance. The chairman proposed that the board write to local stables to inform hack riders of the poor state of the track. A member added that the letter should explain the context, why the track was not maintained. Concern was also expressed that a letter might suggest the board had some liability, but the chairman said the letter would make clear that the board was not liable. A member questioned the purpose of the letter [Ed: the chairman failed to point out that the purpose of the letter was to identify that the sand track was unsafe, and therefore to avoid harm to hack riders and their mounts] and the conclusion of the meeting was that no letter should be sent.
Signs audit: a report proposing a schedule for replacing signs on the downs would be presented to the meeting in January 2018.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 19 Apr, 2017 17:33:13
Clerk to the conservators: Following the resignation of the previous clerk and chief executive to the council, the new clerk, Kathryn Beldon, was welcomed as ex officio clerk to the conservators, and Lee Duffy as interim treasurer.
Training Grounds Management Board: copies of a new leaflet, A Vision for Epsom, were circulated at the meeting, promoting use of the downs for training. [Ed: as an aside, the leaflet documents the decline in horses in training on the downs from over 600 in the 1960s to just 135 now. It vividly maps how many yards have been lost to development, including a cluster in Langley Vale and another cluster north of the downs. Some former yards were located so far from the downs (including one at or near Glanmire Farm, and another near the Brighton Road near Burgh Heath) that one wonders whether they trained on the downs at all. I've put the leaflet in a subsequent post.]
Hack sand track: officers had now written again to the Horse Race Levy Board about its position on the sand track. No response had been received.
Afternoon patrols: additional patrols are now being carried out in the afternoon to deal with hack riders straying onto the training grounds.
Water leak: a leak had been found in the supply to the downskeepers' hut and it was proposed to reroute the mains supply away from but parallel to Tattenham Corner Road west of the hut — the work would take place over a week, but probably postponed until after the Derby.
Policy to regulate small group sessions on the downs: it was observed that the conservators had no policy to deal with small groups using the downs perhaps for commercial or regular purposes, such as commercial exercise classes, and a new policy was proposed to cover such uses. There was concern that these uses could conflict with training and other uses. It was planned to charge a minimum of £25 per session. There was recognition that it would be difficult to distinguish, say, joggers on public rights of way [Ed: or indeed, anywhere else on the downs] from semi-formal training sessions. The trainers' representative was concerned about impact on horses in training, particularly in the morning, and referred to difficulties encountered with people engaged in kick-boxing training, which, despite a good dialogue with those concerned, was still affecting horses in the vicinity. The racecourse sensibly asked what controls existed at present to control such activities: the trainers' representative [Ed: rather wishfully] thought that repeated activities would cause damage and therefore would be subject to regulation, while officers mentioned a byelaw against 'organised games' and suggested that this illustrated a wider power to prevent damage to the downs [Ed: without specifying quite how]. It was noted that DCLG was currently consulting on the regulation of outdoor activities in public parks, but this was not though likely to lead to controls affecting land such as the downs. A member said that he led walks for health over the downs, and was concerned about the implications of greater regulation: officers replied that, as a structured and formal event, it ought to be subject to regulation. But others wanted to divert such activities away from the downs or to impose a larger fee. [Ed: although the proposals seemed orientated towards commercial activities, and it was recognised that a policy would be difficult to enforce, there was mention of regulating guided walks and post-natal classes, at least the former of which are done in exercise of the public rights of access. It is hard to see how it will be possible to discriminate between activities which are in pursuit of public rights, and those which are not, nor what action the conservators would take if anyone declined to seek formal approval, or was refused approval.] The proposal was rejected unanimously, with the chairman suggesting that it might be better to identify those activities which were detrimental. [Ed: but it was unclear how refusing a policy to regulate such events would ensure that they did not take place at all, nor how officers could encapsulate in a policy those activities which were intrinsically detrimental, without having the opportunity to examine proposed events in an application.]
Events on the downs: officers said that more applications were being received to hold events on the downs, and there was special attention to two Alzheimer’s Society Memory Walks which could attract 3,000–6,000 participants on Sundays in September 2017 and 2018. Officers compared with the Race for Life which was capped at 4,000 participants, organisers and spectators. The trainers' representative said that they would be unable to use the downs for training on those Sundays owing to the numbers on the downs and the additional traffic. Officers said that it would be open to stipulate that events should not be allowed on site before 0930. The trainers' representative said that this would accommodate training needs, but would affect local people's enjoyment of the downs. It would be possible to defer the proposal for 2018 until after this year's event had taken place. The head downskeeper said that litter collection from the Race for Life was improving, but was concerned about physical impact on the downs. Participants used the downs in advance of the event to practise, and officers agreed that this could not be controlled. A member pointed out that, if such events were allowed, it would be difficult to justify refusing the minor events considered earlier. The racecourse said that participants did not confine themselves to the surfaced routes, and strayed onto the grass and the gallops, and regretted the potential impact on the winter training areas at that time of year. Officers drew attention to the parallel between Race for Life in June, and the Alzheimer's Society Memory Walk in September: could the latter justifiably be refused if the former were permitted? A member suggested that there should be a cap on participant numbers, perhaps alternating between permissions for events in alternate years. The trainers' representative spoke out against several proposed running races, and there was a consensus against approving them all, but a majority to approve one subject to negotiation on the route. The racecourse said that the conservators should be cautious about engaging in applications on a case-by-case basis, particularly where new applications were on all fours with already approved applications, which raised questions about how they were distinguished. Officers noted that the policy allowed up to five B-class policies in the year, but only one had been approved so far this year. A member suggested that the policy should favour events connected with the borough, and the chairman agreed that the conservators could look at that in future: officers noted that although organisers were not necessarily local, those who participated often were. In the event, members were against approving just one Memory Walk, even with a reduced cap on numbers, and these were rejected.
Audit of signs on the downs: an electronic record of signage had been completed, but maintenance and repair would be demanding on resources. Steps would be taken to prioritise and plan future works.
Review of habitat management plan to include golf course: the plan had been revised to incorporate the golf course in a relatively independent but integral part of the overall plan.
The meeting closed at 19:25.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 18 Jan, 2017 19:28:32
Apologies: Simon Dow, the trainers'
representative, had tendered apologies for his absence.
Training Grounds Management Board:
had met the previous day, but the report related to a meeting in
November. The racecourse said the board had voiced concern about the
reduced staffing situation on the downs. None of the items in the
report was discussed (and therefore, nothing about the proposed
access to the hatched area, but see the end of this report).
Hack sand track:
officers said that the recorded delivery letter had not yet been sent
to the Horse Race Levy Board — the chairman asked for this to be
sent as a priority.
Head downskeeper's report:
the head downskeeper was back on duty, but a dowskeeper was on long
term sick leave, another leaving, and another on paternity leave.
Support was being provided from the council's ranger service. The
chairman asked about the recruitment process, and was told that it
would probably take a couple of months. It was observed that
substitutes for downskeepers needed to be confident and competent
with horses. The racecourse said that the substitute was familiar
with working on the downs. The trainers had reported concern about
abuse of the training grounds in the afternoon, which was not being
addressed owing to the absence of patrols. The head downskeeper said
that he had asked staff to do more patrols, including repeat visits
to key sites, but there remained many routine functions which could
not be omitted. The racecourse explained that the trainers' concern
was stimulated by a report on social media which invited use of the
training facilities during the afternoon: officers thought it might
be possible to target such postings. The head downskeeper said that
barriers used to be placed across the all-weather tracks to prevent
use by hack riders, but this was no longer done.
Fees for events:
the conservators were asked to approve the revised fees and charges.
They did, with negligible comment.
a 2.3% increase in precept from the contributing bodies (the council,
the racecourse and the trainers) was proposed. Approved.
Parking in front of Derby Arms:
the report proposed to endorse, in principle, the use of the green between Derby Arms Road
and Ashley Road for parking for events. The racecourse pointed out
that the green had been used for contractor parking during the
roofing works, but this had ceased since the works were complete.
The chairman asked about the need to use the green: didn't the
racecourse have a car park adjacent to the race track? The
racecourse said it was a 'nicer experience' to park adjacent to the
entrance. A member said that there was adequate parking elsewhere,
such as on the grand stand apron. The open space was an important
part of the Epsom character. Parking was accepted as a part of the
racing calendar, but should not be everyday. The racecourse said it
would be used as a genuine overflow for antique fairs and the like,
because the hard standing was already full. The Tattenham enclosure
was less well drained, and therefore less suitable. Another member
agreed, saying parking was untidy. Was the public house concerned
about the proposal? The chairman wondered whether pub visitors would
also use the parking: the racecourse said the parking would be
stewarded. Asked about frequency, the racecourse said 12 antiques
fairs each year, and perhaps 6 to 10 other events, but no count had
been taken, and the racecourse could not say with precision what
frequency was sought in the approval. A member said that if the
proposal regularised past use, it should be agreed if there was no
material change in use. Officers confirmed that approval was sought
only in principle, and there should be further consultation with hack
riders and others; the conservators could impose conditions on use if
they wished. The racecourse referred to use for Woodland Trust
planting, and the chairman pointed out that such visitors were well
equipped to use the Tattenham enclosure instead. A member said that
consultation should envisage a limit on the number of events. It was
agreed that there should be consultation with all members of the
consultative committee, and with other members of the public who
wanted to be involved. A vote on the recommendation was taken, with
five in favour and one abstention. The abstention sought
confirmation that the matter would return to the committee after
consultation. The chairman would look closely at the wording of the
consultation, and a draft would be cleared with the conservators.
Racing would take place on:
- Wednesday 26 April
- Friday 2 June (Ladies’ Day)
- Saturday 3 June (Derby Day)
- Thursday 6 July (Evening)
- Thursday 13 July (Evening)
- Thursday 20 July (Evening)
- Thursday 3 August (Evening)
- Monday 28 August (Bank Holiday)
- Tuesday 29 August
- Thursday 14 September
- Sunday 1 October
with evenings and Sunday meetings approved by the conservators.
In response to a question, the racecourse said there were fewer meetings than
permitted for commercial reasons, as mid-week days had performed
poorly. There was no wish to hold meetings on an autumn Monday
afternoon, which was the sort of opportunity which remained open.
Epsom racecourse was more demanding than at other racecourse, and it
was more difficult to get horses to run. The racecourse did not want
to run low quality races. The average number of runners in 2016 had
risen to 8.9 from 8.2, following elimination of poor performing races.
The racecourse said it had fabricated gates to permit continued equestrian access (outside race days) to the Lonsdale enclosure west of the subway, to avoid the problem with removing fencing panels.
The recommendations were approved.
Signs on the downs:
a sign audit had been done, and would be brought to the next meeting.
the racecourse said that the training grounds management board should
be commended for drawing up proposals to open the hatched area at certain times.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 05 Oct, 2016 18:01:36Polytrack
: a new walk in has been created for young horses to access the track at 5 furlongs.Clear Height Stables
: planning permission refused for demolition of stables, as they are thought to have a viable future in racing, but have not been properly marketed as such.Hack sand track
: there has been no response from the Horse Race Levy Board to a letter from the board disclaiming responsibility: this will be chased.Head downskeeper's report
: increase in recent anti-social behaviour incidents, with an attempt to break into the downskeepers' hut, and cars being driven over the downs. Two downskeepers are long-term sick, with support being provided from the ranger service. Concern about drawing down support from over-stretched ranger service, and whether this can continue to be provided: there are eight rangers to cover 23 parks. Providing ranger support will impose additional costs on the council.Mid-year budget monitoring
: the working balance continues to diminish, but there was no substantive comment on the in-year budget. The Treasurer had asked for guidance on setting the buget for 2017–18, proposing a 2.35% increase in precepts, which was agreed. [Ed: There was virtually no discussion about the merits of increasing the precept, and no indication of how or whether it could be accommodated in the council's own budget.
: eight events had been proposed for approval, of which only next year's Race for Life
was significant. One member welcomed the use of the downs, another repeated previously expressed concerns about 'grass being trodden down' and litter clearance, noting that the head downskeeper was ill and unable to comment. [Ed: has the member concerned seen the grass trodden down after Derby day?
] The events were approved en bloc
: this was not allowed on the downs under byelaws, unless with the consent of the conservators. A regular vendor had asked for permission to trade on the downs, and it was proposed to grant it, subject to not trading before midday, no chimes, and not on racedays. The van would be located in the Hyperion car park off the Old London Road roundabout, or at the milepost car park. The board wanted to impose conditions requiring the provision of litter facilities, and officers agreed to look at whether this could be done through borough licensing conditions.Metal detecting
: this year, the number of licences had been increased from 20 to 25, although only 23 had been purchased. It was agreed to continue to offer 25 licences each year.
: previously, no memorials had been permitted on the downs, but it was noted that the downs offered nowhere to sit down, and the policy should be reviewed. A paper was circulated to allow for this. It proposed to allow up to 12 rustic benches, bird boxes and planted trees. The demand was not thought to be great, and the price could be increased if demand proliferated. One member asked for benches to have a back, to cater for elderly people: this could be added in a natural form; it was also proposed to allow engraving into the wood (i.e
. not a plaque): although there was some sympathy for these suggestions, they were rejected. It should be reviewed in one year. [Ed: there was no indication of where these memorials would be placed, and no doubt room can be found for benches, but one wonders what would be an appropriate site for tree planting, given that much effort is put into keeping the downs free of scrub, and trees grow naturally?
: the minutes of the meeting last week (see my report here
) had just arrived from the committee secretary, and the chairman offered to take board members through the highlights, although much had been covered already. Mention was made of the location of the gypsy site, and condition of the afternoon hack ride had been resolved on the tour. Comments were solicited, and a question was asked about dog control signage, and then about:Parking in Derby Stables Road
: a member asked whether parking controls would be put forward in the local committee, and the chairman said it would be quicker for a request to be put forward by the hack riders' representative rather than through the board. The member suggested she would favour such controls, and welcome a request to the local committee.Outstanding references
: no significant comments.Dates of next meetings
: Wednesday 18 January 2017 at 18.00 hours
Wednesday 19 April 2017 at 18.00 hours
Wednesday 14 June 2017 at 18.00 hours
Wednesday 4 October 2017 at 18.00 hours
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 21 Jan, 2016 07:39:31
Dog walking: the press release had been published today about the new ‘restrictions’ on dogs, attracting some press attention (see BBC News, illustrated with your blogger's own photograph!; the Surrey Comet/Epsom Guardian). Some coverage (neither of the two hyperlinked articles) had suggested the restrictions applied all day [Ed: which of course they do, in the presence of any horses, but as expected, this requirement was not mentioned once in discussion]. The council had made much of the private nature of the land [which is technically correct but so is a great deal of land subject to public access: the private character of the owner is immaterial, and the downs have been accessible to the citizens of Epsom since time immemorial.]. One member said there was a misconception that the downs were ‘open access’ [which it is]. The council said that additional ranger resource would be available next week. A comment had been made online about wearing fluorescent clothing, but the training grounds manager said this was worn by 99% of trainers’ staff. Staff would ask those with dogs not on leads to comply. The head downskeeper said there would be problems with some owners; owners for example thought that the rules did not apply in the woods. [Ed: and this is the problem with the conservators' approach — it imposes a blanket ban (during the morning) throughout the downs, even where no horses ever go. It's hard to enforce a rule when at times it just doesn't make sense.
Queen’s Stand crossing: the Training Grounds Management Board had approved a budget of £100 to improve signage in the vicinity of the crossing.
Tattenham Corner Road crossing for pedestrians: the highway authority had no money to fund improvements, but was willing to provide design and construction work.
Habitat management plan: work had been commissioned on the combined habitat management plan (i.e. incorporating the golf course).
Walton Road resurfacing: the highway authority had visited Walton Road and expressed ‘reasonable satisfaction’ with the resurfacing works and road humps.
Winter work programme: The winter work programme had enabled work to be done to cut back scrub at Riflebutts Alley, Langley Vale and Middle Hill. Work had also been done to ‘refurbish’ the hack ride and area marker posts.
Review of fees for events on downs: reviewed fees and potentially refundable charges were agreed for events on the downs, including a shift to a daily rate. Officers pointed out that the downs were not a formal events venue, and the conservators decided not to pursue specific annual increases in fees.
Metal detecting licences: the issue of licences has moved online, and availability will close once the ceiling of 20 licences has been reached. The fee will increase from £35 to £40 in 2017. Licences had been sought from all over the south-east. One member asked why the ceiling was apparently low: it was explained that the ceiling had originally been imposed because of the attractiveness of the downs for metal detecting. The licence allowed licencees to excavate (subject to rules about reinstatement). The head downskeeper said that enforcement was sometimes problematic, with licencees straying outside the designated area [the designated area being, in effect, the hack areas]. A vague desire to raise the ceiling to raise additional funds and enable greater activity emerged as a joint proposal to increase the number of licences by five but to amend the licence to permit revocation in the event of a breach of the rules.
Budget 2016−17: a 4% increase in the precept was agreed, in the following shares — Borough Council: £222,770; Epsom Downs Racecourse: £111,380; Epsom & Walton Downs Training Board: £37,130 — a total budget of £371,280.
Racing season and fencing works: the usual extensions to the term of fencing permitted under the 1984 Act were approved. There will be a music night only on 30 June this year. The racecourse observed that the Lonsdale enclosure should ensure a means of access is retained for walkers and horse riders in and out while it was in place.
Hack sand track: the acting clerk said that although an assurance had been given at the previous meeting that a report would be available for this meeting, none was available, and one was promised for the following meeting.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 07 Oct, 2015 18:10:55Training Grounds Management Board
: is considering placing warning signs either side of the Queen's Stand equestrian crossing, as 'near-misses' continue: the board will discuss with Surrey Highways. Officers pointed out that the warning lights on Burgh Heath Road were now redundant, and could be better placed elsewhere.Hatched area
: signs had now been installed to visibly indicate that the hatched area was closed to hack riders.Hack sand track
: officers promised a definitive report at the next meeting, admitting that there was no update, and a report was overdue.Downs House
: the sale had been completed and it was in private ownership. There had been preliminary discussions about a planning application, with a view to restoring its use as a training establishment. He had been in contact with the TGMB.Epsom Downs golf club unauthorised development
: there was a question of retrospective consent, and enforcement action. A report would be made to the next meeting.Tattenham Corner Road crossing
: the crossing had been viewed by the consultative committee, with useful suggestions for improvement. Consequently, action had already been taken to reverse the 'running' rail, which opens up the space on the east side, and to tidy up the grass without compromising the width of the racecourse. Officers had asked Surrey Highways to visit to comment on safety.Dogs
: a report had been secured from an access consultant, who said that signage was an important part of dog management. A member regretted that the matter was being dealt with in an oral update. Discussion then moved to proposed new 'dogs on leads signs': further discussions had taken place on the new signs, and the consultative committee had commented on them. An amended notice was circulated: the new sign requires dogs to be kept on leads before noon, and states that dogs may be walked off leads after midday provided they are under proper control. It was said that much thought had gone into the wording [Ed: no-one was informed at this point that the requirement to keep dogs on leads in the morning was unenforceable
.] Some minor comments were made on the wording. One member wanted a picture of a dog on a lead (or similar), and lamented the omission of the former wording of 'horses travelling at speed'. The consultant had recommended consistent, clear, bold signage as key to securing compliance, but had advised that an approach of requiring all dogs on leads at all times would not work. It was agreed to procure a further draft for approval by the clerk in rapid consultation with members. The racecourse said it was important that the board was clear about what they wanted to achieve, and what were the instructions to the downskeepers. It was confirmed that the downskeepers would receive conflict management training. Natural England's dog walking code (which commended keeping dogs on leads in the vicinity of livestock) was being promoted nationally. Research on dog control orders in another borough revealed that no enforcement had taken place in the past year. A member questioned how successful that borough had been in securing better behaviour [Ed: the reply rather obfuscated on that point
]. Contact with another borough suggested that education was the better approach. A number of partners had said that enforcement is not the answer, but research showed that engagement was better. [Ed: indeed, but what will the board do about those who will not comply?
] The racecourse illustrated two recent incidents, where the keepers simply didn't understand how their dogs were going to react. The existing byelaw only required 'proper control', and questioned whether this required a lead? Officers advised that Natural England's guidance would support such an interpretation.Gypsy site management
: a small group had considered comments from the board, consultative committee and local residents, but experience tended to suggest that ideas were not effective as hoped. Stronger fencing was seen as a challenge; cutting back scrub risked encouraging driving over the downs; employment of a security company would be costly and perhaps provoke confrontation. Once there were a large number of gypsies in the area, it was better for them to assemble in one area, as it was difficult to monitor the whole borough. There was respect for the Derby traditions, and gypsies did move on after the event. Further discussion would be had with the temporary site manager about discouraging driving on the downs. A member said it was the site manager's role to enforce against inappropriate use; the chair responded that it was not possible to change established views among those who were present for just a fortnight. Questions were asked about the role of the temporary site manager, and the remuneration: this would be revisited at the next meeting.Live music
: the Madness
concert had attracted some management problems on the Hill during the evening: a member questioned whether this should be the responsibility of the racecourse? There were no facilities on the Hill for the concerts. The head downskeeper suggested future events might demand security support from the racecourse. The racecourse said there would be no live music evening next year owing to repairs to the Duchy Stand roof. There had been police presence on the Hill for the Madness
concert, and the problems need not be overstated.Winter work programme
: the racecourse commended work done at the Derby start to improve visibility by controlling the treeline. The racecourse asked for a higher priority to clear gorse at the top of Middle Hill, and this was agreed. The board declined to do further work to clear undergrowth below the gypsy site.Mid-year budget monitoring
: there were no significant variance in the budget from plans. For 2016-17, it was planned to use £20k from working balances, and this was not sustainable, so an increase in the precept of 4% was proposed. A risk register had been circulated as an annexe [Ed: this says that "Clarity on responsibility for the Hack Sand Track has been clarified and [(edited at the meeting to read:) the Horse Race Levy Board] are responsible for the cost of repairs although repairs have not yet commenced and further action may be required
Officers questioned the omission of event charges. The racecourse questioned a 4% increase: the treasurer responded that the present reliance on working balances could not be continued, and the increase addressed the current deficit in the budget but did not set a pattern for future years. There were also higher liabilities towards pension contributions. A member said that the increase was necessary if unpalatable. The chair said the increase was needed to address the increase in pension costs.Golf course: extension of first tee and new paths
: further details of the proposals had been provided, and they were approved.
Golf course: replacement winter tee proposal
: there was lengthy discussion around the adoption of matting which was identical to a larger extent of the same matting put down in the practice area which is the possible subject of enforcement action. Some members expressed concern that approval of the winter tees would imply approval of the practice area development. They were assured that this proposal was separate, and all the works were subject to planning permission. The works were approved.Events on the downs
: eight applications were proposed for approval, all of which were repeating from previous years. There were no objections from the trainers, subject to the usual conditions. The events were agreed with no discussion [Ed: odd, compared with previous years' debates about the downs being allegedly oversubscribed
]. Questions were however asked about the retention bonds, which were perhaps too low, but no conclusion to modify. A late application had been received from a cross-country group which had used the downs in the past: there was some discussion over whether to allow it, and a majority decided that it should not be admitted for this period, and then reversed itself and agreed to consider.
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Jean Smith: was
retiring as chairman and local authority member, this being her final
meeting, and the vice-chairman presented a card and print of the
downs in celebration of her departure.
The Training Grounds
Management Board met on 24 February and decided that the hatched
area was unfit for hack use, and also considered dog management
issues (later on the agenda). The board had produced promotional
Hack sand track:
the head of legal and democratic services had arranged a meeting for
the end of May.
Downs House: the
sale had not yet been completed, although various issues had been
sorted out, but there was a new question which required resolution.
Old London Road
crossing of the Racecourse, drainage works: discussions had taken
place with the highway authority, and it was hoped to undertake the
works later this year, noting that a traffic regulation order would
be needed. The highway authority had undertaken to clean out the
existing drains in the vicinity before the Derby.
Bridleway 127: Old
London Road: concern was expressed about the condition of the
bridleway across the Hill, and it was noted that it was the
responsibility of the highway authority. However, the discharge of
flooding from the racecourse crossing was thought to make the problem worse.
Events on the downs:
the list of four events seeking approval was described as ‘no
surprises’; a further event, ‘pigeon liberation’ was described
as very low impact first thing in the morning. It was questioned
whether the organisers of the omni-terrier derby were aware that the
trainers day might be moved this year, and would then not coincide.
The list was approved. A decision was made to review the charges for
2016, and then annually, which would require a report to the summer
management plan: comments had been taken on board from the last
meeting and the consultative committee meeting. Bird sightings had
been noted too. The management recommendations would provide the
driver for future actions. The plan would in due course absorb the
golf course management plan.
the main planting was due to begin in winter 2015−16, but it was
accepted that better contact was needed with the Trust’s planning,
so that a co-ordinated approach was taken. The consultative
committee was thanked for its helpful input, and the recommendations
to adopt the plan were approved.
Epsom golf club
proposed works: it had not been possible yet to obtain comments
from the tree officer, and it was agreed that any decision would be
subject to review by the chairman in the light of such comments.
There was a discussion of the surfacing of the path proposed on the
first hole, which was said to need to be man-made owing to the
likelihood of natural materials being washed out. The golf club’s
attention had been drawn to works with natural materials on Epsom
Common (e.g. Fittleworth stone near the Stew Ponds). There
was some concern about the uncertainty of what was proposed in terms
of route and surfacing. There was an opportunity to revert in the
summer with further details, as the works were not planned until the
winter. The works were agreed in principle, but the board wished to
see further details of the route and materials. The conservation
officer was not concerned by the proposals.
the committee’s comments on the Derby clean-up were
noted by the racecourse as ‘point well made’. The chairman said
that broken glass on the downs was not good for horses nor people.
It was confirmed the Derby would be run at 16:30 as previously. The
vice-chairman noted that minute 17.c had raised a question about
signage of the hatched area, and the signs had been made, but not
installed. A comment was made about the crossing of the 5 furlong
extension: the vice-chairman thought there had been no deterioration
in the crossing, but it was tricky to reconcile race use with
pedestrian use. The vice-chairman said that the racecourse was
unlikely to take the initiative, and it required another party to
champion it; however, officers had been tasked to report, and would
do so alongside the vice-chairman.
Dog control: the
proposal was to ‘approve a twelve month trial of the request to
keep dogs on a lead on Epsom & Walton Downs’, following a
useful discussion in working group. Legislation was not thought to
be the right route to follow at present, and it was preferred to make a ‘polite request’. It would require publicity, and should be
sustained through the year. A before noon request was thought to be
inappropriate given hack riders’ and others’ use, and therefore
an all-day request was preferred [Ed: however, the report says
that: ‘staff would…politely request that their dog(s) were kept
on a lead, particularly before 12 noon when the race horses are using the open gallops”]. It was noted that the BHS had appropriate leaflets. A joint approach was needed with the racecourse, trainers and others. A similar approach had worked at Newmarket, although it
was noted that circumstances were different. The campaign would be
launched in the summer before the start of the school holidays. One
member noted that it would be difficult for the staff to monitor and
‘enforce’ with no additional resources, and also observed that
many dog walkers wanted space for big dogs to run. The study had
looked at whether there could be a dog off leads zone, but it was
thought to be too complicated, and wouldn’t meet visitors’
ambitions to be able to let dogs off the lead near where they parked
or entered the downs. The proposal was agreed.
Model aircraft club:
two proposals to allow use of multi-rotor craft and cameras on board
craft were discussed. One member objected to the use of cameras, but
did not explain her objection. Approved.