ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 19 Apr, 2017 17:33:13
Clerk to the conservators: Following the resignation of the previous clerk and chief executive to the council, the new clerk, Kathryn Beldon, was welcomed as ex officio clerk to the conservators, and Lee Duffy as interim treasurer.
Training Grounds Management Board: copies of a new leaflet, A Vision for Epsom, were circulated at the meeting, promoting use of the downs for training. [Ed: as an aside, the leaflet documents the decline in horses in training on the downs from over 600 in the 1960s to just 135 now. It vividly maps how many yards have been lost to development, including a cluster in Langley Vale and another cluster north of the downs. Some former yards were located so far from the downs (including one at or near Glanmire Farm, and another near the Brighton Road near Burgh Heath) that one wonders whether they trained on the downs at all. I've put the leaflet in a subsequent post.]
Hack sand track: officers had now written again to the Horse Race Levy Board about its position on the sand track. No response had been received.
Afternoon patrols: additional patrols are now being carried out in the afternoon to deal with hack riders straying onto the training grounds.
Water leak: a leak had been found in the supply to the downskeepers' hut and it was proposed to reroute the mains supply away from but parallel to Tattenham Corner Road west of the hut — the work would take place over a week, but probably postponed until after the Derby.
Policy to regulate small group sessions on the downs: it was observed that the conservators had no policy to deal with small groups using the downs perhaps for commercial or regular purposes, such as commercial exercise classes, and a new policy was proposed to cover such uses. There was concern that these uses could conflict with training and other uses. It was planned to charge a minimum of £25 per session. There was recognition that it would be difficult to distinguish, say, joggers on public rights of way [Ed: or indeed, anywhere else on the downs] from semi-formal training sessions. The trainers' representative was concerned about impact on horses in training, particularly in the morning, and referred to difficulties encountered with people engaged in kick-boxing training, which, despite a good dialogue with those concerned, was still affecting horses in the vicinity. The racecourse sensibly asked what controls existed at present to control such activities: the trainers' representative [Ed: rather wishfully] thought that repeated activities would cause damage and therefore would be subject to regulation, while officers mentioned a byelaw against 'organised games' and suggested that this illustrated a wider power to prevent damage to the downs [Ed: without specifying quite how]. It was noted that DCLG was currently consulting on the regulation of outdoor activities in public parks, but this was not though likely to lead to controls affecting land such as the downs. A member said that he led walks for health over the downs, and was concerned about the implications of greater regulation: officers replied that, as a structured and formal event, it ought to be subject to regulation. But others wanted to divert such activities away from the downs or to impose a larger fee. [Ed: although the proposals seemed orientated towards commercial activities, and it was recognised that a policy would be difficult to enforce, there was mention of regulating guided walks and post-natal classes, at least the former of which are done in exercise of the public rights of access. It is hard to see how it will be possible to discriminate between activities which are in pursuit of public rights, and those which are not, nor what action the conservators would take if anyone declined to seek formal approval, or was refused approval.] The proposal was rejected unanimously, with the chairman suggesting that it might be better to identify those activities which were detrimental. [Ed: but it was unclear how refusing a policy to regulate such events would ensure that they did not take place at all, nor how officers could encapsulate in a policy those activities which were intrinsically detrimental, without having the opportunity to examine proposed events in an application.]
Events on the downs: officers said that more applications were being received to hold events on the downs, and there was special attention to two Alzheimer’s Society Memory Walks which could attract 3,000–6,000 participants on Sundays in September 2017 and 2018. Officers compared with the Race for Life which was capped at 4,000 participants, organisers and spectators. The trainers' representative said that they would be unable to use the downs for training on those Sundays owing to the numbers on the downs and the additional traffic. Officers said that it would be open to stipulate that events should not be allowed on site before 0930. The trainers' representative said that this would accommodate training needs, but would affect local people's enjoyment of the downs. It would be possible to defer the proposal for 2018 until after this year's event had taken place. The head downskeeper said that litter collection from the Race for Life was improving, but was concerned about physical impact on the downs. Participants used the downs in advance of the event to practise, and officers agreed that this could not be controlled. A member pointed out that, if such events were allowed, it would be difficult to justify refusing the minor events considered earlier. The racecourse said that participants did not confine themselves to the surfaced routes, and strayed onto the grass and the gallops, and regretted the potential impact on the winter training areas at that time of year. Officers drew attention to the parallel between Race for Life in June, and the Alzheimer's Society Memory Walk in September: could the latter justifiably be refused if the former were permitted? A member suggested that there should be a cap on participant numbers, perhaps alternating between permissions for events in alternate years. The trainers' representative spoke out against several proposed running races, and there was a consensus against approving them all, but a majority to approve one subject to negotiation on the route. The racecourse said that the conservators should be cautious about engaging in applications on a case-by-case basis, particularly where new applications were on all fours with already approved applications, which raised questions about how they were distinguished. Officers noted that the policy allowed up to five B-class policies in the year, but only one had been approved so far this year. A member suggested that the policy should favour events connected with the borough, and the chairman agreed that the conservators could look at that in future: officers noted that although organisers were not necessarily local, those who participated often were. In the event, members were against approving just one Memory Walk, even with a reduced cap on numbers, and these were rejected.
Audit of signs on the downs: an electronic record of signage had been completed, but maintenance and repair would be demanding on resources. Steps would be taken to prioritise and plan future works.
Review of habitat management plan to include golf course: the plan had been revised to incorporate the golf course in a relatively independent but integral part of the overall plan.
The meeting closed at 19:25.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 18 Jan, 2017 19:28:32
Apologies: Simon Dow, the trainers'
representative, had tendered apologies for his absence.
Training Grounds Management Board:
had met the previous day, but the report related to a meeting in
November. The racecourse said the board had voiced concern about the
reduced staffing situation on the downs. None of the items in the
report was discussed (and therefore, nothing about the proposed
access to the hatched area, but see the end of this report).
Hack sand track:
officers said that the recorded delivery letter had not yet been sent
to the Horse Race Levy Board — the chairman asked for this to be
sent as a priority.
Head downskeeper's report:
the head downskeeper was back on duty, but a dowskeeper was on long
term sick leave, another leaving, and another on paternity leave.
Support was being provided from the council's ranger service. The
chairman asked about the recruitment process, and was told that it
would probably take a couple of months. It was observed that
substitutes for downskeepers needed to be confident and competent
with horses. The racecourse said that the substitute was familiar
with working on the downs. The trainers had reported concern about
abuse of the training grounds in the afternoon, which was not being
addressed owing to the absence of patrols. The head downskeeper said
that he had asked staff to do more patrols, including repeat visits
to key sites, but there remained many routine functions which could
not be omitted. The racecourse explained that the trainers' concern
was stimulated by a report on social media which invited use of the
training facilities during the afternoon: officers thought it might
be possible to target such postings. The head downskeeper said that
barriers used to be placed across the all-weather tracks to prevent
use by hack riders, but this was no longer done.
Fees for events:
the conservators were asked to approve the revised fees and charges.
They did, with negligible comment.
a 2.3% increase in precept from the contributing bodies (the council,
the racecourse and the trainers) was proposed. Approved.
Parking in front of Derby Arms:
the report proposed to endorse, in principle, the use of the green between Derby Arms Road
and Ashley Road for parking for events. The racecourse pointed out
that the green had been used for contractor parking during the
roofing works, but this had ceased since the works were complete.
The chairman asked about the need to use the green: didn't the
racecourse have a car park adjacent to the race track? The
racecourse said it was a 'nicer experience' to park adjacent to the
entrance. A member said that there was adequate parking elsewhere,
such as on the grand stand apron. The open space was an important
part of the Epsom character. Parking was accepted as a part of the
racing calendar, but should not be everyday. The racecourse said it
would be used as a genuine overflow for antique fairs and the like,
because the hard standing was already full. The Tattenham enclosure
was less well drained, and therefore less suitable. Another member
agreed, saying parking was untidy. Was the public house concerned
about the proposal? The chairman wondered whether pub visitors would
also use the parking: the racecourse said the parking would be
stewarded. Asked about frequency, the racecourse said 12 antiques
fairs each year, and perhaps 6 to 10 other events, but no count had
been taken, and the racecourse could not say with precision what
frequency was sought in the approval. A member said that if the
proposal regularised past use, it should be agreed if there was no
material change in use. Officers confirmed that approval was sought
only in principle, and there should be further consultation with hack
riders and others; the conservators could impose conditions on use if
they wished. The racecourse referred to use for Woodland Trust
planting, and the chairman pointed out that such visitors were well
equipped to use the Tattenham enclosure instead. A member said that
consultation should envisage a limit on the number of events. It was
agreed that there should be consultation with all members of the
consultative committee, and with other members of the public who
wanted to be involved. A vote on the recommendation was taken, with
five in favour and one abstention. The abstention sought
confirmation that the matter would return to the committee after
consultation. The chairman would look closely at the wording of the
consultation, and a draft would be cleared with the conservators.
Racing would take place on:
- Wednesday 26 April
- Friday 2 June (Ladies’ Day)
- Saturday 3 June (Derby Day)
- Thursday 6 July (Evening)
- Thursday 13 July (Evening)
- Thursday 20 July (Evening)
- Thursday 3 August (Evening)
- Monday 28 August (Bank Holiday)
- Tuesday 29 August
- Thursday 14 September
- Sunday 1 October
with evenings and Sunday meetings approved by the conservators.
In response to a question, the racecourse said there were fewer meetings than
permitted for commercial reasons, as mid-week days had performed
poorly. There was no wish to hold meetings on an autumn Monday
afternoon, which was the sort of opportunity which remained open.
Epsom racecourse was more demanding than at other racecourse, and it
was more difficult to get horses to run. The racecourse did not want
to run low quality races. The average number of runners in 2016 had
risen to 8.9 from 8.2, following elimination of poor performing races.
The racecourse said it had fabricated gates to permit continued equestrian access (outside race days) to the Lonsdale enclosure west of the subway, to avoid the problem with removing fencing panels.
The recommendations were approved.
Signs on the downs:
a sign audit had been done, and would be brought to the next meeting.
the racecourse said that the training grounds management board should
be commended for drawing up proposals to open the hatched area at certain times.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 05 Oct, 2016 18:01:36Polytrack
: a new walk in has been created for young horses to access the track at 5 furlongs.Clear Height Stables
: planning permission refused for demolition of stables, as they are thought to have a viable future in racing, but have not been properly marketed as such.Hack sand track
: there has been no response from the Horse Race Levy Board to a letter from the board disclaiming responsibility: this will be chased.Head downskeeper's report
: increase in recent anti-social behaviour incidents, with an attempt to break into the downskeepers' hut, and cars being driven over the downs. Two downskeepers are long-term sick, with support being provided from the ranger service. Concern about drawing down support from over-stretched ranger service, and whether this can continue to be provided: there are eight rangers to cover 23 parks. Providing ranger support will impose additional costs on the council.Mid-year budget monitoring
: the working balance continues to diminish, but there was no substantive comment on the in-year budget. The Treasurer had asked for guidance on setting the buget for 2017–18, proposing a 2.35% increase in precepts, which was agreed. [Ed: There was virtually no discussion about the merits of increasing the precept, and no indication of how or whether it could be accommodated in the council's own budget.
: eight events had been proposed for approval, of which only next year's Race for Life
was significant. One member welcomed the use of the downs, another repeated previously expressed concerns about 'grass being trodden down' and litter clearance, noting that the head downskeeper was ill and unable to comment. [Ed: has the member concerned seen the grass trodden down after Derby day?
] The events were approved en bloc
: this was not allowed on the downs under byelaws, unless with the consent of the conservators. A regular vendor had asked for permission to trade on the downs, and it was proposed to grant it, subject to not trading before midday, no chimes, and not on racedays. The van would be located in the Hyperion car park off the Old London Road roundabout, or at the milepost car park. The board wanted to impose conditions requiring the provision of litter facilities, and officers agreed to look at whether this could be done through borough licensing conditions.Metal detecting
: this year, the number of licences had been increased from 20 to 25, although only 23 had been purchased. It was agreed to continue to offer 25 licences each year.
: previously, no memorials had been permitted on the downs, but it was noted that the downs offered nowhere to sit down, and the policy should be reviewed. A paper was circulated to allow for this. It proposed to allow up to 12 rustic benches, bird boxes and planted trees. The demand was not thought to be great, and the price could be increased if demand proliferated. One member asked for benches to have a back, to cater for elderly people: this could be added in a natural form; it was also proposed to allow engraving into the wood (i.e
. not a plaque): although there was some sympathy for these suggestions, they were rejected. It should be reviewed in one year. [Ed: there was no indication of where these memorials would be placed, and no doubt room can be found for benches, but one wonders what would be an appropriate site for tree planting, given that much effort is put into keeping the downs free of scrub, and trees grow naturally?
: the minutes of the meeting last week (see my report here
) had just arrived from the committee secretary, and the chairman offered to take board members through the highlights, although much had been covered already. Mention was made of the location of the gypsy site, and condition of the afternoon hack ride had been resolved on the tour. Comments were solicited, and a question was asked about dog control signage, and then about:Parking in Derby Stables Road
: a member asked whether parking controls would be put forward in the local committee, and the chairman said it would be quicker for a request to be put forward by the hack riders' representative rather than through the board. The member suggested she would favour such controls, and welcome a request to the local committee.Outstanding references
: no significant comments.Dates of next meetings
: Wednesday 18 January 2017 at 18.00 hours
Wednesday 19 April 2017 at 18.00 hours
Wednesday 14 June 2017 at 18.00 hours
Wednesday 4 October 2017 at 18.00 hours
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 21 Jan, 2016 07:39:31
Dog walking: the press release had been published today about the new ‘restrictions’ on dogs, attracting some press attention (see BBC News, illustrated with your blogger's own photograph!; the Surrey Comet/Epsom Guardian). Some coverage (neither of the two hyperlinked articles) had suggested the restrictions applied all day [Ed: which of course they do, in the presence of any horses, but as expected, this requirement was not mentioned once in discussion]. The council had made much of the private nature of the land [which is technically correct but so is a great deal of land subject to public access: the private character of the owner is immaterial, and the downs have been accessible to the citizens of Epsom since time immemorial.]. One member said there was a misconception that the downs were ‘open access’ [which it is]. The council said that additional ranger resource would be available next week. A comment had been made online about wearing fluorescent clothing, but the training grounds manager said this was worn by 99% of trainers’ staff. Staff would ask those with dogs not on leads to comply. The head downskeeper said there would be problems with some owners; owners for example thought that the rules did not apply in the woods. [Ed: and this is the problem with the conservators' approach — it imposes a blanket ban (during the morning) throughout the downs, even where no horses ever go. It's hard to enforce a rule when at times it just doesn't make sense.
Queen’s Stand crossing: the Training Grounds Management Board had approved a budget of £100 to improve signage in the vicinity of the crossing.
Tattenham Corner Road crossing for pedestrians: the highway authority had no money to fund improvements, but was willing to provide design and construction work.
Habitat management plan: work had been commissioned on the combined habitat management plan (i.e. incorporating the golf course).
Walton Road resurfacing: the highway authority had visited Walton Road and expressed ‘reasonable satisfaction’ with the resurfacing works and road humps.
Winter work programme: The winter work programme had enabled work to be done to cut back scrub at Riflebutts Alley, Langley Vale and Middle Hill. Work had also been done to ‘refurbish’ the hack ride and area marker posts.
Review of fees for events on downs: reviewed fees and potentially refundable charges were agreed for events on the downs, including a shift to a daily rate. Officers pointed out that the downs were not a formal events venue, and the conservators decided not to pursue specific annual increases in fees.
Metal detecting licences: the issue of licences has moved online, and availability will close once the ceiling of 20 licences has been reached. The fee will increase from £35 to £40 in 2017. Licences had been sought from all over the south-east. One member asked why the ceiling was apparently low: it was explained that the ceiling had originally been imposed because of the attractiveness of the downs for metal detecting. The licence allowed licencees to excavate (subject to rules about reinstatement). The head downskeeper said that enforcement was sometimes problematic, with licencees straying outside the designated area [the designated area being, in effect, the hack areas]. A vague desire to raise the ceiling to raise additional funds and enable greater activity emerged as a joint proposal to increase the number of licences by five but to amend the licence to permit revocation in the event of a breach of the rules.
Budget 2016−17: a 4% increase in the precept was agreed, in the following shares — Borough Council: £222,770; Epsom Downs Racecourse: £111,380; Epsom & Walton Downs Training Board: £37,130 — a total budget of £371,280.
Racing season and fencing works: the usual extensions to the term of fencing permitted under the 1984 Act were approved. There will be a music night only on 30 June this year. The racecourse observed that the Lonsdale enclosure should ensure a means of access is retained for walkers and horse riders in and out while it was in place.
Hack sand track: the acting clerk said that although an assurance had been given at the previous meeting that a report would be available for this meeting, none was available, and one was promised for the following meeting.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 07 Oct, 2015 18:10:55Training Grounds Management Board
: is considering placing warning signs either side of the Queen's Stand equestrian crossing, as 'near-misses' continue: the board will discuss with Surrey Highways. Officers pointed out that the warning lights on Burgh Heath Road were now redundant, and could be better placed elsewhere.Hatched area
: signs had now been installed to visibly indicate that the hatched area was closed to hack riders.Hack sand track
: officers promised a definitive report at the next meeting, admitting that there was no update, and a report was overdue.Downs House
: the sale had been completed and it was in private ownership. There had been preliminary discussions about a planning application, with a view to restoring its use as a training establishment. He had been in contact with the TGMB.Epsom Downs golf club unauthorised development
: there was a question of retrospective consent, and enforcement action. A report would be made to the next meeting.Tattenham Corner Road crossing
: the crossing had been viewed by the consultative committee, with useful suggestions for improvement. Consequently, action had already been taken to reverse the 'running' rail, which opens up the space on the east side, and to tidy up the grass without compromising the width of the racecourse. Officers had asked Surrey Highways to visit to comment on safety.Dogs
: a report had been secured from an access consultant, who said that signage was an important part of dog management. A member regretted that the matter was being dealt with in an oral update. Discussion then moved to proposed new 'dogs on leads signs': further discussions had taken place on the new signs, and the consultative committee had commented on them. An amended notice was circulated: the new sign requires dogs to be kept on leads before noon, and states that dogs may be walked off leads after midday provided they are under proper control. It was said that much thought had gone into the wording [Ed: no-one was informed at this point that the requirement to keep dogs on leads in the morning was unenforceable
.] Some minor comments were made on the wording. One member wanted a picture of a dog on a lead (or similar), and lamented the omission of the former wording of 'horses travelling at speed'. The consultant had recommended consistent, clear, bold signage as key to securing compliance, but had advised that an approach of requiring all dogs on leads at all times would not work. It was agreed to procure a further draft for approval by the clerk in rapid consultation with members. The racecourse said it was important that the board was clear about what they wanted to achieve, and what were the instructions to the downskeepers. It was confirmed that the downskeepers would receive conflict management training. Natural England's dog walking code (which commended keeping dogs on leads in the vicinity of livestock) was being promoted nationally. Research on dog control orders in another borough revealed that no enforcement had taken place in the past year. A member questioned how successful that borough had been in securing better behaviour [Ed: the reply rather obfuscated on that point
]. Contact with another borough suggested that education was the better approach. A number of partners had said that enforcement is not the answer, but research showed that engagement was better. [Ed: indeed, but what will the board do about those who will not comply?
] The racecourse illustrated two recent incidents, where the keepers simply didn't understand how their dogs were going to react. The existing byelaw only required 'proper control', and questioned whether this required a lead? Officers advised that Natural England's guidance would support such an interpretation.Gypsy site management
: a small group had considered comments from the board, consultative committee and local residents, but experience tended to suggest that ideas were not effective as hoped. Stronger fencing was seen as a challenge; cutting back scrub risked encouraging driving over the downs; employment of a security company would be costly and perhaps provoke confrontation. Once there were a large number of gypsies in the area, it was better for them to assemble in one area, as it was difficult to monitor the whole borough. There was respect for the Derby traditions, and gypsies did move on after the event. Further discussion would be had with the temporary site manager about discouraging driving on the downs. A member said it was the site manager's role to enforce against inappropriate use; the chair responded that it was not possible to change established views among those who were present for just a fortnight. Questions were asked about the role of the temporary site manager, and the remuneration: this would be revisited at the next meeting.Live music
: the Madness
concert had attracted some management problems on the Hill during the evening: a member questioned whether this should be the responsibility of the racecourse? There were no facilities on the Hill for the concerts. The head downskeeper suggested future events might demand security support from the racecourse. The racecourse said there would be no live music evening next year owing to repairs to the Duchy Stand roof. There had been police presence on the Hill for the Madness
concert, and the problems need not be overstated.Winter work programme
: the racecourse commended work done at the Derby start to improve visibility by controlling the treeline. The racecourse asked for a higher priority to clear gorse at the top of Middle Hill, and this was agreed. The board declined to do further work to clear undergrowth below the gypsy site.Mid-year budget monitoring
: there were no significant variance in the budget from plans. For 2016-17, it was planned to use £20k from working balances, and this was not sustainable, so an increase in the precept of 4% was proposed. A risk register had been circulated as an annexe [Ed: this says that "Clarity on responsibility for the Hack Sand Track has been clarified and [(edited at the meeting to read:) the Horse Race Levy Board] are responsible for the cost of repairs although repairs have not yet commenced and further action may be required
Officers questioned the omission of event charges. The racecourse questioned a 4% increase: the treasurer responded that the present reliance on working balances could not be continued, and the increase addressed the current deficit in the budget but did not set a pattern for future years. There were also higher liabilities towards pension contributions. A member said that the increase was necessary if unpalatable. The chair said the increase was needed to address the increase in pension costs.Golf course: extension of first tee and new paths
: further details of the proposals had been provided, and they were approved.
Golf course: replacement winter tee proposal
: there was lengthy discussion around the adoption of matting which was identical to a larger extent of the same matting put down in the practice area which is the possible subject of enforcement action. Some members expressed concern that approval of the winter tees would imply approval of the practice area development. They were assured that this proposal was separate, and all the works were subject to planning permission. The works were approved.Events on the downs
: eight applications were proposed for approval, all of which were repeating from previous years. There were no objections from the trainers, subject to the usual conditions. The events were agreed with no discussion [Ed: odd, compared with previous years' debates about the downs being allegedly oversubscribed
]. Questions were however asked about the retention bonds, which were perhaps too low, but no conclusion to modify. A late application had been received from a cross-country group which had used the downs in the past: there was some discussion over whether to allow it, and a majority decided that it should not be admitted for this period, and then reversed itself and agreed to consider.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 15 Apr, 2015 21:30:16
Jean Smith: was
retiring as chairman and local authority member, this being her final
meeting, and the vice-chairman presented a card and print of the
downs in celebration of her departure.
The Training Grounds
Management Board met on 24 February and decided that the hatched
area was unfit for hack use, and also considered dog management
issues (later on the agenda). The board had produced promotional
Hack sand track:
the head of legal and democratic services had arranged a meeting for
the end of May.
Downs House: the
sale had not yet been completed, although various issues had been
sorted out, but there was a new question which required resolution.
Old London Road
crossing of the Racecourse, drainage works: discussions had taken
place with the highway authority, and it was hoped to undertake the
works later this year, noting that a traffic regulation order would
be needed. The highway authority had undertaken to clean out the
existing drains in the vicinity before the Derby.
Bridleway 127: Old
London Road: concern was expressed about the condition of the
bridleway across the Hill, and it was noted that it was the
responsibility of the highway authority. However, the discharge of
flooding from the racecourse crossing was thought to make the problem worse.
Events on the downs:
the list of four events seeking approval was described as ‘no
surprises’; a further event, ‘pigeon liberation’ was described
as very low impact first thing in the morning. It was questioned
whether the organisers of the omni-terrier derby were aware that the
trainers day might be moved this year, and would then not coincide.
The list was approved. A decision was made to review the charges for
2016, and then annually, which would require a report to the summer
management plan: comments had been taken on board from the last
meeting and the consultative committee meeting. Bird sightings had
been noted too. The management recommendations would provide the
driver for future actions. The plan would in due course absorb the
golf course management plan.
the main planting was due to begin in winter 2015−16, but it was
accepted that better contact was needed with the Trust’s planning,
so that a co-ordinated approach was taken. The consultative
committee was thanked for its helpful input, and the recommendations
to adopt the plan were approved.
Epsom golf club
proposed works: it had not been possible yet to obtain comments
from the tree officer, and it was agreed that any decision would be
subject to review by the chairman in the light of such comments.
There was a discussion of the surfacing of the path proposed on the
first hole, which was said to need to be man-made owing to the
likelihood of natural materials being washed out. The golf club’s
attention had been drawn to works with natural materials on Epsom
Common (e.g. Fittleworth stone near the Stew Ponds). There
was some concern about the uncertainty of what was proposed in terms
of route and surfacing. There was an opportunity to revert in the
summer with further details, as the works were not planned until the
winter. The works were agreed in principle, but the board wished to
see further details of the route and materials. The conservation
officer was not concerned by the proposals.
the committee’s comments on the Derby clean-up were
noted by the racecourse as ‘point well made’. The chairman said
that broken glass on the downs was not good for horses nor people.
It was confirmed the Derby would be run at 16:30 as previously. The
vice-chairman noted that minute 17.c had raised a question about
signage of the hatched area, and the signs had been made, but not
installed. A comment was made about the crossing of the 5 furlong
extension: the vice-chairman thought there had been no deterioration
in the crossing, but it was tricky to reconcile race use with
pedestrian use. The vice-chairman said that the racecourse was
unlikely to take the initiative, and it required another party to
champion it; however, officers had been tasked to report, and would
do so alongside the vice-chairman.
Dog control: the
proposal was to ‘approve a twelve month trial of the request to
keep dogs on a lead on Epsom & Walton Downs’, following a
useful discussion in working group. Legislation was not thought to
be the right route to follow at present, and it was preferred to make a ‘polite request’. It would require publicity, and should be
sustained through the year. A before noon request was thought to be
inappropriate given hack riders’ and others’ use, and therefore
an all-day request was preferred [Ed: however, the report says
that: ‘staff would…politely request that their dog(s) were kept
on a lead, particularly before 12 noon when the race horses are using the open gallops”]. It was noted that the BHS had appropriate leaflets. A joint approach was needed with the racecourse, trainers and others. A similar approach had worked at Newmarket, although it
was noted that circumstances were different. The campaign would be
launched in the summer before the start of the school holidays. One
member noted that it would be difficult for the staff to monitor and
‘enforce’ with no additional resources, and also observed that
many dog walkers wanted space for big dogs to run. The study had
looked at whether there could be a dog off leads zone, but it was
thought to be too complicated, and wouldn’t meet visitors’
ambitions to be able to let dogs off the lead near where they parked
or entered the downs. The proposal was agreed.
Model aircraft club:
two proposals to allow use of multi-rotor craft and cameras on board
craft were discussed. One member objected to the use of cameras, but
did not explain her objection. Approved.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 21 Jan, 2015 21:18:10
Management Board: the board had confirmed that the hatched area
remained unfit for public use (Ed: this was the only item apparently
thought to be worth reporting from the board’s meetings. The
meetings must be very short indeed.)
Hack sand track:
no further progress, with vague commitment to pursuing a meeting.
flooding issue resolved with Thames Water accepting liability. Some
delays in closing negotiations on lease.
Joint action group met on 13 January with good attendance, and will
meet again in February. Nothing will be resolved overnight, and
resolution will demand staff resources. Circumstances of downs are
different to those of other open spaces in borough. The trainers’
representative had attended the joint action group meeting and spoke
in favour of using social media. He said that the downs did need a
distinctive solution, and trainers’ staff were at risk. A local
authority member feared that rigorous controls could divert dog
walkers to other sensitive sites, and this called for borough wide
Epsom Golf Club
unauthorised development: alluded to, but not described in
Pipe repair works
near the Rubbing House: works are being undertaken in
January by Thames Water, on the crossing near the Rubbing House: likely to conclude soon (Ed: but the crossing remains closed for now).
had been a long debate at the previous meeting. The racecourse
wished to revert to its previous policy on barbecues, which was not
to encourage barbecues during events (Ed: but, reading between the
lines, not to actively enforce against them).
Budget for 2015−16:
the treasurer noted, in response to the chairman’s question, that
the annual budget was drawing down £20,000 from reserves annually,
and it would be necessary to increase precepts or reduce expenditure
by 2016−17. Surprisingly, no-one thought fit to ask whether it would be wise to reduce expenditure sooner in anticipation, or even to challenge the above-inflation rise in the budget for the next year. A question was asked about the absence of a sum for
insurance, and it was thought (requiring verification) that the cost
was taken on by the council in its general policy and recharged in a
separate line item for ‘insurance recharges’. An increase of 2%
in budget was approved.
Code of conduct
signs: there were now five signs in place.
Memorial Wood: the inaugural tree planting event took place in
December, but there had been confusion about where to park for a
local shuttle. Officers were asked to suggest that the Woodland
Trust should provide marshals in future. The local authority had not
yet approved the Trust’s traffic management plan.
Staff: the head
downskeeper said that all staff had now received appropriate training
in first aid and horse handling, as well as field skills.
various extensions to the fencing season, enabling the racecourse to
retain fencing between meetings, were approved without comment (Ed:
the BHS takes the view that these extensions are unlawful, not being
authorised by the local Act).
Revision of the
Epsom and Walton Downs Habitat Management Plan: the plan itself
had apparently been circulated late (Ed: not yet seen by me).
The plan will be concluded after the next meeting, and placed on the
website. There was no substantive discussion, apart from a question
about bird boxes.
Review of Walton
Road tarred surface: the racecourse thought this had been a
complete success, with 95% preference for it. Signs had been
improved at the bottom. Ends of railings had been taped to improve
safety. There was no comment. (Ed: the racecourse tarred Walton Road, and it saw every thing that it had made, and, behold, it was very good.)
Old London Road
crossing draining works: two meetings had come close to
cancellation owing to waterlogging, and the racecourse sought
approval for drainage works to the crossing and the necessary digging
and fencing for that purpose. The racecourse's report said that the crossing
was not public highway (Ed: this is incorrect: the crossing is a
public highway, but is privately maintainable by the racecourse).
The works will involve a covered drain across the north side of the
crossing (continuous with the rails), a drain across the racecourse,
and a discharge into a shallow soakaway with surface grill on the
south-west side of the crossing. The head downskeeper, on the
contrary, said that there were indeed gullies and soakaways, which
were blocked but could be restored at much lower cost: however, he
said that the highway authority had disclaimed responsibility. The
trainers’ representative said that current drainage arrangements
were inadequate to deal with intensive periods of rain. Officers
said that Old London Road (i.e. the route inside Tattenham
Corner) was adopted, except for the racecourse crossing, and they
would discuss whether the existing gullies were in line for
renovation. The clerk said that she would not wish to rely on the
highway authority renovating gullies in time for the racing season.
A council member said that the highway authority had taken on a new
gully cleansing contractor, and her experience was that the response
time was good. Another said that there was insufficient detail about
It was agreed to
approve the works subject to clearance of further details by the
chairman, clerk and head downskeeper, and officers would write to the
Proposed tree works
by Epsom Golf Club: the borough tree officer had now commented
that there was no mention in the submission of the Habitat Management
Plan, and no map. The creation of chalk grassland could be
advantageous but lacked assurance of management. The tree officer
proposed a site visit to assess the proposals, but said they should
form part of a long term management plan. The Lower Mole Countryside
Management Service said that works should better be carried out as
part of regular management, rather than a big job once in a while.
The Conservation Officer agreed that it would be helpful to take a
more holistic approach to management of the land. It was agreed to
delegate a decision to the chairman following the site visit.
Epsom Downs winter
forest – proposal to sell Christmas trees: a rather bizarre
proposal for selling Christmas trees on the downs. Unsurprisingly,
the proposal was rejected, though only after a significant
references: the committee clerk’s carefully compiled list was
briefly noted and dismissed.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 13 Oct, 2014 20:49:03
TGMB: met on 3 October. Approval was given for refurbishment of the fibre sand track, which was due to begin on 3 November.
Dog control: the clerk said that the legal advice commissioned by the TGMB (and annexed to the report on 'matters arising') was not something she could entirely agree with, nor did it focus on softer elements such as owner behaviour. [Ed: oddly enough, this was precisely what I had said in an email copied to the clerk the previous day.] Officers had not been able to dedicate time to the issue, and legislation was changing. The neighbourhood inspector was keen to enforce dog control issues and was aware of the detail. Legal advice was needed from the council legal team.
Code of conduct signs: the final sign was awaiting delivery, before installation. One of the original signs (by the Rubbing House) has been removed to rectify problems with the production.
Hack sand track: it was reported that the consultative group had disputed the Levy Board’s view that the sand track was under the same management responsibility as the horse walks, and the racecourse manager agreed.
Downs House: the legal process was expected to continue.
Review of habitat management plan: a final document would be presented in January.
Metal detecting: a retention of the present annual fee for detectorists at £35 was agreed.
Mid-year budget monitoring: the mid-year position was slightly over-budget, owing to an £11k pension contribution and maintenance of the toilet block. Next year, the proposal was for a 2% increase in contributions, which would generate an additional £7k, and £16½k would be used from reserves. As reserves continued to decline, the board would need to examine how to stem the losses. The chairman asked about car park repairs at £1k, but was told this was ‘nothing’. A statement in the notes about responsibility for repair of the hack sand track was corrected. No discussion took place on the proposed precept increase (which was a guideline for the treasurer’s budgeting for next year, and not a resolution).
Chafer grubs: an infestation on the downs was causing concern, and chemical control was both costly and environmentally challenging; the racecourse track however is treated chemically, at a cost of around £5k. The grub causes damage to the turf, and prefers fine cut grass. The infestation was reported as the worst ever. Crows feed on the grubs, causing the grass to be laid bare. Investigations continue into what measures can be taken at reasonable cost.
Proposed events on the downs: a number of events had sought approval, including the Race for Life in 2015. One member rehearsed concerns about impact of events on the downs, and resources used to manage the downs. It was not clear whether other sites could host the Race for Life. The event had become an annual institution, regardless of effect. But the trainers’ representative said that this year’s event had been managed very well, and had not caused disruption. Officers said that another Race for Life took place in Guildford. The organiser was very flexible, including a set-up before the trainers’ occupation of the downs (and a down-time during that occupation). The chairman said that refusal threatened a backlash. The racecourse pointed out [Ed: for the first time in my recollection] that a few weeks earlier, the downs hosted 100,000 visitors, and contrasted that with 5,000 for the Race.
Downs tour: concrete deposited on the edge of the golf course, spotted on the board’s downs tour, had not yet been cleared. The unauthorised development of the practice area has been addressed in writing, and the golf course has suggested they were not aware of a problem. The golf course will also be told not to allow fencing to be erected by sponsors on event days.
Speed hump on Walton Road: this had been proposed for approval, retrospectively, to reduce cycle speeds on the descent of Six Mile Hill. Officers said that the speed hump needed clear marking and advance warning. The need for a hump was agreed, and the TGMB was asked to liaise with officers on the signage. The racecourse pointed out that the solution would need to be suitable for all downs users, but then went on to question whether additional humps were needed further up the hill.
Barbecues on the downs: the racecourse was struggling to regulate barbecues at the moment; the racecourse said the proposal was a reversion to earlier practice, with resources to enforce the rule. There would be a dedicated team to deal with the issue. Officers said it was impossible to enforce a prohibition on race days, and there was concern that the public would assume that the derogation was available on other days, such as music nights. One member, supported by the chairman, insisted that there should be no derogation for barbecues on race days. The clerk said no encouragement should be given to other forms of fire, but the byelaws allowed only for consent to be given to light fires. In the event, approval was given by a majority of 4:2 (the only two council members present) to implement on a trial basis, using raised barbecues.
Minutes of the consultative committee: the chairman asked if members had asked to read the minutes (circulated late), and there were no comments. [Ed: much rustling of papers followed] The chairman observed how much the board appreciated the work of the consultative committee, then moved on. [Ed: the consultative committee would have much preferred that at least something of its deliberations — anything really — were aired before the board, than that tributes were paid to its work by a board which simply ignores it. Though to be fair, the consultative committee's comments on the maintenance responsibility for the horse walks were reported earlier in the agenda.]
Works on the golf course: the works were to be tabled at the next meeting, as they required further consultation.
Dates of next meetings: 21 January, 15 April, 17 June and 7 October 2015.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 17 Jun, 2014 21:12:53
Chairman: today’s was the first meeting of the new
local government year, following the elections, which called for the board to
elect a chairman and vice-chairman. As
usual, Jean Smith was the only nominee for chairman, and Andrew Chairman was
TGMB/dog control: last met on 15 May and discussed dog
control. Trainers reported daily mishaps,
and the TGMB thought that the current byelaw was insufficient and required
amendment to keep dogs on leads. It was
described as absurd that dogs were allowed to run loose while horses were in
training. The chairman said that a new
byelaw (requiring dogs to be on leads before noon) would be costly and lengthy,
and it was necessary to be sure that the new byelaw would be effective. Enforcement would be difficult. Trainers were asked to log all incidents to
raise understanding of the problem, with a report to the next meeting. The chairman asked if the TGMB would share
the costs of seeking a new byelaw or dog control order? Other members were supportive of tighter
controls. The clerk said that there were
insufficient resources to enforce.
Publicity would be used to raise awareness, but breaches were often committed
by people from elsewhere. The council
lacked resources to follow up breaches. The
chairman asked whether there was support for a ban on dogs before noon, but the
question was not addressed by the board.
The trainers’ representative said that more effective control was a
prerequisite to the continuing status of the downs as a leading training
ground; there was also concern about dogs ‘kept’ on an extendable lead. The vice-chairman noted that the existing
byelaw already required a dog to remain under proper control and avoid
disturbing any animal, and that the question was one of enforcement rather than
drafting; however, the clerk thought that a more clearly worded byelaw or a dog
control order would be easier to prosecute (but said she was willing to
prosecute it if resources were provided).
Officers were asked to review options again, including the possibility
of employing an enforcement officer.
Officers thought that dog control needed to be reviewed in the context
of the borough as a whole.
Code of conduct signs: officers reported that two new
signs were being made and due to be supplied shortly. Likely candidates were bottom of Ebbisham
Lane and Langley Vale, but the board wasn't specifically asked to endorse these locations.
Hack sand track: in the light of no response from the
levy board, a meeting had resolved that the vice-chairman should write again,
but no reply had been received.
Downs House: Bidwells had reverted to previously
interested bidders and discussions were taking place with two candidates.
Land at rear of Rosebery Road: it was confirmed that
a neighbouring householder had cleared some scrub on the downs, and had offered
to pay for replanting. There was a brief
discussion as to whether the matter should be taken further [Ed: without any sense of irony that such
action might be contemplated here, but was apparently untenable in relation to
dog control]. It was agreed to
accept the offer of replanting. [Ed: presumably the other householders who haven't admitted anything won't pay anything. Though quite why these householders are expected to tolerate the growth of ever denser scrub, where there used to be none, so depriving them of their views of the downs, is entirely beyond me.]
Tarred surface on Walton Road: planning permission
had been granted for an extension, and works would begin in a few weeks.
Final accounts: John, the former borough treasurer
familiar at previous years' discussion of the accounts, had retired. There was approximately a £20k excess of
expenditure over income, attributed to the replacement downskeepers’ hut. A member asked about the outturn expenditure
on noticeboards compared with budget: this was explained as owing to the code
of conduct signs, but with a counterbalancing receipt through s.106 funds. A question about equipment and facility hire
was thought to be attributable to the replacement temporary cabin while the
downskeepers’ hut was rebuilt. A
question was asked about the Tattenham Corner Road public conveniences (which
were costing £20k per annum). The
recommendations for disposal of the accounts were accepted.
Discussion moved on to pension contributions, where increased
contributions were sought. These
increases could be spread over a longer period if the council accepted
responsibility for the board as the parent body: a decision on this would be
taken in the next few weeks by the council’s strategy and resources committee.
Downskeepers’ hut: an opening event was to be
planned (later agreed to be combined with the downs tour).
Derby: concern was noted that the downskeepers had
had to clear up in place of the contractors.
The head downskeeper reported this year as ‘very bad’, and said there
was still glass on the downs. Officers
reported that the events manager was aware of the problem and wanted to avoid
the problems in future years. The
racecourse had provided a report —
build-up went roughly to schedule, with mitigating measures to reduce impact on
the trainers. Ladies’ Day saw growth in
grandstand subscription. Saturday had
started with poor mid-morning weather, which had affected numbers on the
Hill. Ten arrests had been made in line
with previous years. The racecourse
recognised that the waste management and litter clearance was ‘seriously disappointing’
and these issues were under investigation.
A member asked what financial restitution would take place — the racecourse said that it would
look at this. The chairman said that the
arrangements in the Jockey Club room on Derby Day to which she had been invited
were ‘magnificent’. A member commented
on the poor behaviour experienced in the Blue Riband restaurant during Ladies’
Day. [Ed: indeed, much of the discussion about the Derby focused on the
experiences of various members in accepting the hospitality kindly provided
by the racecourse. Presumably the
members all consider such hospitality compatible with their responsibility for
regulating the racecourse’s management of the downs? Or perhaps they make a corresponding payment to charity?]
Downs tour: a board members’ downs tour was scheduled
for 4 August at 14:30.
ConservatorsPosted by Hugh Craddock 23 Apr, 2014 08:22:41
Langley Vale First World War Centenary Wood: a presentation was given by the Woodland Trust. The Trust is a member of the Imperial War Museum’s First World War centenary partnership. Langley Vale Wood (an interim name) is the largest proposed woodland creation site, and its purchase has been completed. It’s 250 hectares in area. and will accommodate 200,000 trees, but 40% of the site will remain unplanted, and many of those trees will be planted to restore existing hedgerows or create new green lanes. Views will be retained and accessibility will be retained. Open space will be managed as wild flower meadows on chalk grassland habitat, using grazing on large parts of the site. Poppies will be a dominant theme, which will call for some arable cultivation. There will be a designated memorial area consistent with the natural features, although the design has not yet been done. The site will be open to the public, with several kilometres of hard surfaced paths, horse and cycle paths. Some paths will be mown, and waymarked routes will be established. There will be interpretative features and volunteering opportunities. The trust wants to work with schools and community groups, e.g. on tree planting. A tidy-up will begin now, removing pheasant pens, litter, fencing. Some wildflower seeds will be sown this summer, with initial planting in the autumn on a community planting day. Site infrastructure will be installed in 2015–16, and the memorial area established in 2016. The farm will continue to be managed on an agricultural basis for the next 12 months. The site is technically open to the public, but access is not being promoted.
The project cost is £9 million, with a total cost for all four sites of £20 million. The local appeal had already reached half way (£50,000), and discussions were underway with local businesses. Local funding would leverage ten times as much national support.
Asked about existing woodland, the Trust said there was extensive hazel coppice on the site, and this would be managed (though not necessarily all of it, owing to resource constraints). The Trust expected parking to be accommodated off Headley Road, where sight lines for traffic were good: this conclusion had been influenced by discussions with Surrey as highway authority. There would be no full-time staff on site, save for a possible visitor centre as regards which decisions were yet to be made. There could be a strong volunteering presence. Visitor numbers were expected to decline after the centenary period.
Walton Road: planning permission was awaited for surfacing works on Langley Vale Road.
Langley Vale residents: concern had been expressed by residents about trainers’ practices. A meeting had taken place, and there had been a desire on the part of local residents for more information [Ed: this wasn’t explained further], and a reminder to trainers to discourage distractions (e.g. smoking) by riders.
Code of conduct signs: two additional signs had been ordered, after which further consultation will take place on siting (one is likely near Langley Vale village).
Hack sand track: the clerk apologised that matters had not been moved forward, and had scheduled a meeting on 15 May with the relevant parties to seek a solution.
Equestrian crossing opposite the entrance to the Queen’s Stand: one option was to recycle the existing signs on Burgh Heath Road, where they now had little use as the trainers did not use the road, although it was said that the signs could still confer a benefit on a livery stable. However, it was suggested that the signs would not be appropriate to the Ashley Road site.[Ed: Indeed: the signs warn of the presence of riders on the road, with manually controlled alternate flashing yellow lights, which were presumably operated manually by whichever yard was intended to benefit from them. They are completely inappropriate to the crossing on Ashley Road, so there’s not the slightest chance of their being resited.]
Downs House: the marketing agents, Bidwells, have revisited the original bids and invited new expressions of interest. A report was expected to a special meeting of Strategy and Resources committee in May to seek authority on how to proceed.
Review of Epsom Downs Habitat Management Plan: will be reviewed by a borough council officer.
Signposting of the Round the Borough Hike and Bike route: it was agreed to mark the route on its circuit of the downs. It was stated that the route followed only public rights of way [Ed: which is incorrect].
Downskeepers’ hut: this had now been commissioned. It was asked whether there was any identification of the hut’s role, and it was confirmed that details had been painted on the structure. The Lower Mole Countryside Project would consider whether more permanent signage could be provided. A formal opening would be proposed. Apparently, the handbasin is too small for the burly downskeepers, so the chairman wants it replaced.
Events on the downs: six events had been submitted for approval, and were approved [Ed: with hardly a peep from the board, save that one member said she’d refuse permission for the lot, but took it no further. This included the Race for Life: no doubt there will be much hand wringing later this year about next year’s Race, but it will still end up being approved].
Constitution of consultative committee: the clerk noted that a working group was formed in 2012, and had subsequently met with the clerk and chairman, before proposals were brought to the consultative committee in March this year. It was noted that the promoters of the 1984 Bill had given a commitment to establish such a committee to include (apart from the statutory interests, only) representatives of horse riders for the purposes of consultation on the future management of the rides, tracks and paths for horse riding.
Angela Clifford gave a short presentation on the purpose of the revision of the constitution, including to review the membership of the committee.
Proposal A, on whether the committee supports or advises the board, and proposal B, which extended the committee’s remit to consider appearance and biodiversity, were thrown open for discussion. The vice chairman said that there was no need to review the objects in the current constitution. Another member agreed, saying that appearance and biodiversity were too prescriptive. Proposal B was therefore rejected, and proposal A appeared to fall without a word being said either way.
Proposal C, on extending membership to local residents’ associations, was discussed. One member proposed to sustain the present position. The chairman said that EDMAC had made a strong case to be included [Ed: the Epsom Downs Model Aircraft Club had written to the board objecting to its exclusion from membership of the consultative committee], but the clerk boldly said she had concerns about including one group without consideration of others [Ed: this appeared to overlook that the report had presented various groups’ membership, including EDMAC’s, as a fait accompli, but this seemed to be a step too far for the board]. It was agreed to make no change to membership. Proposal D (consequential changes to those invited to attend) was therefore rejected as unnecessary. However, this was later clarified to include, among those invited to attend, the additional bodies originally lined up for membership.
The chairman said that any issues identified by the consultative committee meetings were brought up to the board efficiently and effectively, and nothing it said was ignored. There would therefore be no disadvantage to the committee by rejecting changes.
Proposal G, to codify practice for personal representation of specific matters identified by the committee at the next board meeting, was endorsed by one member, and the chairman said this would be sensible [Ed: this was odd, since the chairman had been adamant at the consultative committee meeting that it was entirely unnecessary]. This was agreed.
Proposal F, on requisition of special meetings, the chairman said that she could use discretion to bring matters before the committee. The clerk expressed concern about additional meetings and the resource necessary. A member said that the status quo was best. Proposal F therefore was rejected.
It was also decided to retain the quorum at three members.
One member said, belatedly, that she wanted to thank the committee for its work on the constitution.
[Ed: so there we are: eighteen months of admittedly desultory analysis by the working group, with virtually nothing to show for it. Pity that no-one said they wanted to ‘maintain the status quo’ at the beginning of the exercise.]
Minutes of the consultative committee: these had been circulated, but there were no comments. [Ed: which sums it up really: the chairman couldn’t see any need to mention anything at all worth mentioning arising from the last consultative committee meeting.]